Be careful who you give your hard earned to in these troubled times

Submitted: Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 20:18
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I recently bought a new tinnie. Paid the deposit several weeks ago. Dropped into the dealer late last week and paid the balance so the boat could be collected from the factory ( it was convenient to do that as my new boat loader was being made by another business near the boat factory).

The next day the boat dealer (Satisfaction Marine on Gold Coast) went into receivership. I was lucky - I got my boat. I paid the dealer for registration, but it seems they had not followed through with the administration before the receivers took over. So I am probably out of pocket about $95 as I will have to pay QLD transport myself to get the boat registered, but it could have been worse.

I'm aware of eight marine dealers in SE QLD alone,who have closed in the past couple of months. There must be dozens more elsewhere. The poor sales that pushed these businesses to the wall, will be felt by the manufacturers, so some of them might also soon be in trouble as well.

In the caravan industry, Baroma (also SE Qld) has closed. I suspect there will be more.


In the automotive industry, many dealerships are feeling the pinch. Poor sales, combined with the loss of the industry's major lenders (GE Finance and GMAC) will push many to the wall.

If you have the cash, it is a good time to buy as many businesses are desperate to make sales to move stock and keep the cash moving. The flip side is, if you pay a deposit and the business goes bust before you collect your purchase, you just become an unsecured creditor and wait in line to collect a few cents in the dollar (if you are lucky) some years down the track.

So, if you are in a position to do so, get yourself a good deal. But be cautious to ensure the good deal doesn't turn sour.

Norm C






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Reply By: Skippype - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 20:49

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 20:49
Very sound advice Norm. You were lucky.
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Reply By: Isuzumu - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 20:56

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 20:56
Good advise Norm only said to a mate this morning the boats are the first to be sold, when we are in hard times, then the flash cars.

Cheers Bruce
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:19

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:19
I am a boat/yacht broker, we have seen no increase in listings at all, neither did we in the "recession that we had to have".

So I would have to disagree with your comment that "boats are the first to sold".
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 15:16

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 15:16
That's why Riviera sacked 250 employees a while back, and all these other guys are saying about boat yards closing down. Been there and done that yacht/boat broker, boat builder in my 20 years as a Master Mariner.

Cheers Bruce
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 16:47

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 16:47
We don't do new boats. I am fully aware of the state of thenew boat market, but as mentioned I am not qualified to comment on it.
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Reply By: Member - T N (Qld) - Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 21:21

Monday, Nov 17, 2008 at 21:21
Norm, I would call that good luck, you could have sat and waited another day, and it would have been kiss ya dough goodbye, as the expert's say we are travelling in un-charted water's you would think they had a G.P.S for the money they charge?
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Reply By: jdwynn (Adelaide) - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 06:27

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 06:27
Norm, I know good advice when I hear it. Thanks

Interesting what you say about the lenders too, and how quickly things have affected Baroma (disappointing).

cheers JD
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Reply By: Member - Daryl C (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 07:27

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 07:27
Best beware of new car dealerships too.

There is an article in the local Ballarat paper today saying Peterson Motor Group, the local Kia, Chrysler, Jeep & Dodge dealership has closed its doors yesterday.

The article goes on to say that the VACC warned up to 50 new car dealerships could be forced to close after GE Money & GMAC Finance announced they would pull their funding to dealers for new stock on 31st December. There are 7 or 8 major finance companies, the whole market is worth $6 billion & those two account for about $2 billion.

The article does state that they are unaware of the reasons for the closure of the Ballarat Dealership

Daryl C

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Reply By: Hopper51 - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 09:08

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 09:08
I am afraid the alarm bells would be ringing for me as soon as the firm asked for the full amount for the tinnie so it could be collected from the manufacturer. This usually means they are no longer being given credit and are required to pay cash for any purchases.
You are certainly lucky to have got your boat.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:12

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:12
You misunderstood Chris (or I didn't explain well enough). Collection from the factory (in Bundaberg) was at my request. My boat loader was also being made in Bundaberg (different business) and I wanted to have the boat there when I had it fitted.

Not much point in the boat being shipped from Bundaberg to Gold Coast, then me immediately taking it back to Bundaberg again. And that would have meant I couldn't take the caravan as I would have been towing the boat trailer.

Not surprisingly, the boat dealer wanted to receive payment in full before I had the boat collected from the factory. So no alarm bells in any of that.
I have no idea if the manufacturer received payment from the dealer.

Norm C
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Follow Up By: Hopper51 - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:38

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 11:38
Norm
I reread your post and your explanation was OK - I just didn't read it correctly. Unless the firm was already on a cash basis I would say the manufacturer has lost money. Your the winner on this occasion.

Chris W
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 09:42

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 09:42
Same down here..
Macarthur Marine and Camden Caravans- both big setups- went down within a fortnight of each other..



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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:08

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:08
Just goes to show how thin the line is regarding the viability of the business if they are dropping so quickly.

Typical of so many small business's in this country, poorly managed and under capitalised.

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Follow Up By: PradOz - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:30

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:30
Thanks for the heads up on camden caravans. i was thinking of calling in there and i wasnt aware they had gone under. they were overpriced in my opinion for some items which wouldnt have helped. have all the vans etc now gone or does it look like someone else maybe taking it all over? i have noticed a couple vans on ebay last week private sale which looked a lot like the photos were taken in their yard. cheers....
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:02

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:02
Hi PradOz
No- there gone mate. Just an empty yard. !!!

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Reply By: Moose - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:54

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 13:54
Lucky Norm
Fair enough advice but how does the average Joe know which business is going to go to the wall before he can collect his goods?
It's a bit of a lottery!
The only safe option would appear to be to pay cash and collect on the spot. But that isn't always possible.
Cheers from the Moose
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Reply By: Pete Jackman (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 15:37

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 15:37
I was talking to the dealer where I bought my Jackaroo and he said the same thing.

With the departure of GE and GMAC from the market who would lend to anyone, a lot of deals will no longer go through.

He reckoned that 4 to 5 big franchise delaers are about to go belly up in Adelaide.

Pete
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 16:01

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 16:01
Any business that is so short sighted as to rely on one sector of the market is destined to doom.

The leisure/pleasure market is one of the first to suffer in tough times. We have felt the pinch in relation to recreational vehicles. However we had sense enough to market heavily with tradies/business people and this side of the business is growing.

We also diversified into a totally unrelated product, about six months ago, that we have the capacity to manufacture with our existing machinery (ie no capital outlay). After six months of hard slog we managed to strike a deal with a National Wholesaler two weeks ago.

If we were relying solely on selling drawers for 4wd's, we'd be about to go belly up.

It's an oldie, but it's true........

Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Jim.


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Reply By: kiwicol - Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 21:27

Tuesday, Nov 18, 2008 at 21:27
Will the GOVT hand out 22 mill to any of these companys??????? I wonder what the difference is. Col
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 19:23

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 19:23
The difference?

No unions in these bussinesses.
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