Injector Issue with 06 Hilux Turbo Diesel

Hiya Terra

I would not deal with Toyota Full stop,Ring another company in your area and ask them a few questions about it,If you feel your not getting the right answers,email me and i'll ask an injector bloke thats done mine (Holden Berlina not 4by) for some info..

Your right it Ludicrous..

Cheers

Depends.

Those diesels have in line fuel filters - so it is unlikely that at 71,000 or 80,000 km's that a nozzel needs a clean, and it certainly shouldn't be worn out.

More likely is that somethings broken or leaking with regard to that injector.

IF it is one of the newer HEUI (Hydraulic Electronic Unit Injector) then yes they cost upwards of $900 each in just about any brand (via stealership spare parts avenues of supply).

The vehicles warranted 3 years or 100,000 km's whichever comes first....

If the 3 years is up it is up - if you never took in a warrantable condition for repair for 9000km's - and left it until xyz days after warranty expires - then your liable basically UNLESS the dealership & Tojo decide from the goodness of their heart to help you out!

Sounds like they don't want to eat$900 for a new injector to me - and who would when they are as expensive as they are!

Try replacing all 8 of them at $900 each on some of the new HEUI V8 diesels!

Generally speaking the injectors are pretty hardy and reliable - it's MORE likely to be an electrical short in the electronic circuit that fires them, because the injectors inside the rocker cover where the hot lubricating oil runs - ad hot oil and electrical wires don;t go together so well - specially if the wire rubs its insulation off on any of the Ohead cam gear and shorts etc...

These high tech diesels are damn economic and good performers until something goes awry with the electricals that control them these days.

It seems the designers have forgotten that one of the primary reasons many chose diesels in the first place was because of the unreliability of electrical ignition problems on petrol engines in hard service applications like agriculture outback transport and marine applications - the diesels proving far more reliable.

Now however woth electronically controlled diesel injection - we are right back to where we left off with petrol engine reliability - i.e. basically screwed.

Its a shame because the additional cost of diesel was considered a worthwhile trade off for the additional reliability.

Now it seems we have diesels with all of the extra expense but NON of the extra reliability due tio the introduction of electrionic cam position sensors and engine management computers that fire the damn injectors!

Mechanical fuel injecton was at least RELIABLE - the new modern replacement with these common rail, chipped and computer run diesels, just isn't there anymore.

In truth these new diesels aren't fit to travel anywhere outsideof the city where the technicians have the computers diagnostics and electronics experts to fix them.

Welcome to the brave new world of technology!

With reliability issues and costs, etc of the new technology, who can blame Toyota, for running scared from possible warrantable work if they can find an "out clause' in the fine print!

With the state of auto manufacturers finances - I reckon we will probably see a LOT more claims for warranty denied from here on in by many dealers/manufacturers in an effort to stay afloat fiscally thru these hard times.!

Cheers!

How is it out of warranty? 2006 plus 3 = 2009???? and you haven't done 100,000km yet?

I'd get Toyota to do their maths again :-)

Quite a few Prado D4D 's have been having injectors replaced under warranty. (see pradopoint.com) Toyota know there is a problem with the injectors so it may pay to read the info on pradopoint and then approach the Toyota again. There have also been hiluxs with the same problem.

Cheers

Kevin

$900.....sounds cheap to me....last price I got was between $1200 to $1800 each....$900 sounds like a bargain.

Most of these common rail electronic injectors are not serviceable, everything from F250's down to all these little buzz boxes with little diesels are the same. One tank of dirty fuel, 4, 6 or 8 blocked or partially blocked injectors.
We have a hilux ute at work which everybody and his dog drives, it started acting up, still under wty, back to dealer, prognosis "dirty fuel" needs new injectors!!! Final cost was over $5k with labour!
Our argument with dealer was that as the standard filtration system had let "dirt" through to injection system it wasn't up to a good enough standard for engine fuel system it was their problem. They wouldn't accept any liablility and we had to pay to get it fixed.
I've heard of plenty of others having similar problems regardless of brand and friend with an F250 is on its third set under wty at around 70,000k.
His is the only one I've heard of where the dealer/manufacturer covers the poor filtration under wty. Needless to say he intends to sell it before the extended wty runs out as a set of injectors is over $8k.

6 Days out of warranty!!!!!! i would be doing cartwheels in the service dept with lots of yelling until it gets fixed!

Toyota don't use HEUI injection systems, alot of trucks do and so did the 3.2 lt Isuzu motors in the last Jackaroo's.

The pressure is generated by the fuel pump running of the motor at around 20,000 to 30,000 psi.

The injectors are unservicable now and in the future.

You may want to get Toyota to recalibtare the injectors to the ecu, the ecu may of lost the injector calibrations.

For those people who rubbish the new CRD engines, what are you going to do when the introduce 10ppm sulphate diesel next year.

The older diesels need a high sulphate content to lubricate and keep pliable all the rubber hoses and seals.

You can always get the fuel injection system overhauled with viton seals and hoses....$$$$

Or you can just let the diesel leak out!

mate of mine has an 06 d4d hilux for a work run around, has 100k on it, has had the guts flogged out of it, has had 100% bio diesel run through it, dirty diesel (black in colour) i wouldn't have even run it in me old 60. but...it is still going strong as ever, still no problems to the day. so this says to me that new common rail electronic diesels are alot more robust and not as soft as there made out to be.
Also went and priced a genuine diesel injector for a 60 sereies with a 2H a couple of years ago(i know they can be serviced but..), $2500 per injector times 6 is $15000! i know they are a bit older but its alot more expensive than $900 per injector.

just thought i'd throw my 2bob in, cheers.

Thin I'll just keep the old 1HZZZzzzzzzzz going for while longer...............................

Cheers,

Mark

Thanks for all your replies guys, dealer just called me ( I did make contact with Toyota also) and advised the car is now fixed. According to the service manager they removed all the injectors, could not find any visible fouling, soaked all the injectors, re-installed them and switched them around, the vehicle went into limp mode (Apparently normal at this stage) and re-programmed or re-set the ECU and now cannot fault the vehicle. I haven't picked up the vehicle yet, so haven't driven it, will keep and eye on it. Certainly there is a story in buying these types of vehicles 2nd hand, scary to think about the people that need to replace all their injectors.!

hi Terra
been there done that.
have 06 hilux diesel.
fuel system is not covered under Toyota warranty im told.
talk to Cooma diesel service the only one of a few who know what there talking about.
they supply water traps and 2 micron filters designed for these hi flow hilux just fitting both now to my hilux after dirty fuel scare.
drain/removed tank.
water in system in these is the big BIG KILLER and at $7-800 per injector which are not interchangeable and have to be scan coded in once installed.
were looking at good GPS unit now as if it stops in the bush your stuffed.
were running lpg and tunit chip big power gain but same fuel economey.cheers