electric brake controller

Submitted: Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 15:32
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hi all
need to install a brake controller is there one better than another i have no idea about these things. any thing to look out for or they pretty much the same. where i'm buying my van the guy is pushing a prodigy
says it is the best on the market any opinions.
thanks in advance to any body who answers,
regards
al
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Reply By: Member - RobnJane(VIC) - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 16:16

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 16:16
G'day Al,
We had Voyager Tekonsha recommended to us by our CT manufacturer and his been in service for 3yrs and 64,000km (CT in tow)now and has worked fine. I like the set-up/adjustment procedure.
On this site I've seen others note that Prodigy is the go, so I guess if the van manufacturer recommends it you can look forward to his support in the event of future concerns.
I had to redo the wiring installation of the controller as the original installer used poor crimp connections (no solder) and a dodgy connection to the brake light wire to pick up the signal, can't remember the name of the connector though. It was the type that when closed over the wires actually cuts into the signal wire and then bridges to the new wire, ie the wire to the controller. In my opinion these 'connectors' should not be used in automotive applications. Just a tip to check the installation if not doing it yourself.
Rgds,
Rob.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:15

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:15
Those "dodgy" connectors are Scotch lock connectors - often referred to as power thieves. I agree with your sentiments, however if you use the correct one for the wires they can be successful.

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Follow Up By: RVfixer - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 23:48

Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 23:48
Ain't nothing wrong with a good, well crimped connection, with the right good quality crimper (not the 2 or 3mm wide $5 stripper/crimper jobs from the local reject shop either).
There's a good reason solder joints are sometimes frowned upon, especially when making connections on cars, caravans and in particular, boats.......vibrations. A soldered joint is susceptible to breakage where the solid solder ends on the flexible wire. Especially so after overheating thin multi-stranded wire with the iron. It weakens it considerably.
Solder a blob on the end of a piece of wire and bend it at the joint 90deg back and forth. Now do the same with a well crimped joiner. Which one will break sooner???
If one does insist on soldering joints, then they must make sure it is well supported or made so that no flexing is allowed.
We are not talking strength in pull resistance, of course the soldered joint is stronger that way....but how much pulling force is exerted on your brake controller wires under the dash???
Don't get me wrong, soldered connections have their place and purpose, but completely not necessary here.
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Reply By: Member - Vic S (VIC) - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:02

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:02
I have a prodigy and have had no problems at all,previous control was also a Tekonsha but a very basic one.
Have a look an ebay there are some great deals
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Follow Up By: Member - Vic S (VIC) - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:04

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:04
The connectors are scotch locks ,best to solder or use good quality crimped connectors.
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Reply By: Dunaruna - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:07

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:07
The P3 is the best on the market, but it has features that will never be used by the average vanner. The prodigy is the way to go, very simple to adjust and it is virtually foolproof.
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:33

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 17:33
Anything that has a pendulum in it will be OK. Prodigies do not work any better than Voyagers, they are just easier to adjust and have a limited readout of fault conditions.

For a good discussion on controllers see Site Link The only bit I would disagree on is the inclusion of the AccuPower AccuTrac controller - it does not have a progressive pendulum action - just a two position pendulum.

I would also steer clear of the ones under the heading "TIME DELAY CONTROLLERS" as they do not have pendulums in them.

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Follow Up By: Graham & Ann - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 19:03

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 19:03
The Prodigy has a boost function, works a treat when you have heavy van behind lightish tow tug. or going down steepish hills, or sudden heavy braking on wet roads. Once used one would never go back to Voyager Other advantage is they can be mounted on an angle so makes it easier to reach the manual lever or read the dial, or adjust boost on the move.
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Follow Up By: Dunaruna - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 19:49

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 19:49
Quote by Nomadic Navara - "Prodigies do not work any better than Voyagers".

I would respectfully suggest that if you did an extensive comparison you would find the prodigy FAR better and more reliable. Chalk and cheese. The list of improvements/extras is extensive.

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Reply By: swampy66 - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 18:01

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 18:01
I also bought a Prodigy after having it recommended by this forum a couple of years back. Its was my first experience with a brake controller.
I bought it online - for a good price and fitted it myself - and im no electrician.

good luck
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 19:47

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 19:47
I had a Prodigy in my previous vehicle (Hilux). When I saw that there was a new model out, the P3, I decided to get it as it was not a lot more expensive.

As stated before, the P3 has heaps of features, some of which I will never use, but it is a great controller and I got it at a great price from Derek Bester (ABR, an advertiser on this site). Installed it myself, which is a pretty simple process.

I'd recommend either the Prodigy or P3.

ABR Sidewinder Brake Controllers listing
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Reply By: Bekali - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 20:32

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 20:32
Al, have a read of this....

http://www.hardingscaravans.com.au/technicalinfo7.htm

I have a Tekonsha Voyager, only because thats what the auto elec put in without any real disscusion about it and I have had no prob with it at all.

Cheers Bek
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Reply By: donk - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 23:08

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 23:08
Prodigy's actually don't have a pendulum but i do have one on my vehicle & it is a lot nicer than the pendulum controller i had before

When the batch of voyagers had the problem with intermittantly bringing the brake lights on when the vehicle was parked the company i was working for at the time was replacing the faulty voyagers with prodigys under warranty & a lot of our customers commented on how the prodigy was a better controller than the voyager was

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Follow Up By: donk - Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 23:42

Thursday, Nov 20, 2008 at 23:42
I am actually wondering if i am correct in saying they don't have a pendulum inside

I thought they had a inertia sensor that did the job of a pendulum in a pendulum controller but i am now wondering the the sensor is a form of pendulum

Regards Don
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Reply By: Shaker - Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:32

Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:32
Redarc have a couple of brake controllers which are a lot smaller than the others, which makes them much easier to install, they also have just released a remote head model.
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