Aluminum Chassis off road van

Submitted: Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 21:30
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I have been searching the net and reading a lot about the larger off road caravans.
I am very interested in the manufacturers that use aluminum frames but I am wondering if any of them use aluminum for the chassis as well?

Most I have seen are using a steel chassis and they bolt the alloy frame to the chassis. If this is the case does anyone have info on how they are doing this, meaning are they using large stainless bolts, where are they bolting them etc?

I have contacted a couple of manufacturers but understandably they are hesitant to give out this info over the phone. I live in Tassie and none of the manufacturers I am interested in have a dealer down here so it is very difficult to get the answers.

Any info will be greatly appreciated. I would love to see some photos of the chassis and frame work of these vans before they are skinned.
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 21:54

Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 21:54
Most reputable Dealers will give you that information, our van has
a 150mm Galvanised Chassis, with 40mm Angle Brackets welded to
the Chassis this is all Galv Dipped, the Aluminium Frame is fastened to
the 40mm Angle Brackets which are spaced accordingly.

Cheers
Daza
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Reply By: Member - shane (SA) - Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 22:19

Friday, Nov 21, 2008 at 22:19
Hi Danny, a good place to try is a caravan repair place, they would see all sorts of vans. if you can not find one ring an insurance company for there repairer in tassie.
cheers shane.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 09:45

Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 09:45
If these 'rough roads capable vans' (my term for this class) are used as the manufacturer suggests (often long distances over gravel / stone surfcaces) I doubt the aluminium could withstand the blasting - even the hot dip on the steel chassis gets blasted off if protective skirts aren't used - once any protective coat on an aluminium chassis was lost the stones would have a field day.
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Reply By: Member - Rotord - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 11:05

Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 11:05
Hewllo Danny and Helen

Problem with an aluminium chassisis is the depth of the box section needed to get the required structural strength . Google up a sectional drawing of an early Lotus Elite and you will see what I mean .

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Reply By: Danny & Helen - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 16:27

Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 16:27
Thanks very much for the replies and advice.

We had a good look at some 'semi' off road vans today and I have made a decision on what we will settle with.

We will go with a steel chassis and welded not riveted aluminum frame work for the body.

I am still not totally sure how the alloy frame is bolted to the chassis.
I couldn't see any bolts on the alloy framed vans I looked at today.

I will look into it further but I think Ill go with my own design which Ill show here if anyone is interested in looking over the plans?
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Follow Up By: Member - Mary W NW VIC - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 18:04

Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 18:04
Thanks,That would be very interesting.Always good to pick all the available brains when thinking of building a van or camper,
Cheers,
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Follow Up By: Outnabout David (SA) - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 19:11

Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 19:11
I would be interested in seeing your plans as I have been thinkinking of building my own. You can email me if you like djs56 at optusnet dot com dot au
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Reply By: Danny & Helen - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 19:43

Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 19:43
Here are some 3d drawings, very early days yet of course but assuming an engineer tells me the plans are ok it will be very similar to this.

Also, it is a toy hauler, not really a caravan as such but will have everything a good modern van has.
The queen bed in the rear and the dining area all fold out of the way so the bikes can be put in there place.

Please let me know if you see something that you would change or do different? Some chassis's I looked at used more bracing running the length of the van but all the ones that used the same sized materials I am using were designed very similar to this.

This is the steel part!


Some shots of the alloy frame bolted down.



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Follow Up By: Danny & Helen - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 19:46

Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 19:46
Woops forgot to add, The roof is now made from 50 X 20mm box section in stead of 20 X 20mm to allow for deeper insulation and strength.
Also the tailgate is has 50mm sections instead of 20mm.

Ill post up some pics at a later stage.
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Follow Up By: bob&loz - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 23:57

Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 23:57
Hi Danny
I would run 2 full length braces along the length of the van and weld them to the cross brasses because with it like you have it the only thing keeping the whole chassis from going out of square is where the front is welded to the A frame

the A frame looks a little short as well

One way of attaching the frame is to weld square tube that is a tight fit inside the frame tubes to the chassis and slide the frames over them and rivet from both sides. If you try bolting square tube to angle you will have to insert tubes into the frames for the bolts to go through to stop them crushing the frames

Bob
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Follow Up By: Danny & Helen - Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:13

Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:13
Bob
Thanks for the suggestions.

Here is a picture of my original design for the chassis. It uses smaller beams but I agree it is stronger design.

I might add I am not making this to be a full off road van, meaning it wont see any major 4wd tracks but it will get quite a bit of rough gravel road use.

Good idea of attaching the frame, I agree the bolts would try and fold up the box section if they didn't have some tubing in the to support them.

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Reply By: Danny & Helen - Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 19:57

Saturday, Nov 22, 2008 at 19:57
The roof is more like this but perhaps with some provisions to separate it from the frame.

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Reply By: awill4x4 - Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:24

Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 10:24
There's an awful lot of welding on the body frame and roof. Are you going to Mig weld or Tig weld it?
Tig will give you a better finish but it will be a lot slower to do.
The problem with Aluminium is that it doesn't take constant flexing well and it will fail over time so try to get it as rigid as possible and get the suspension to do all the hard work.
Also, where you bolt it to the chassis make sure there is no possiblity of electrolysis between the dissimilar metals as it will eat away at the Aluminium very quickly.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Danny & Helen - Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:08

Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:08
Thanks for the advice. I will use the Tig on the alloy my mig doesnt weld alloy the way id like it too for this type of project, or any project for that matter.

I will use an independent suspension setup, i am undecided exactly what method to use there yet but I have seen quite few that I like.

Im not sure what you mean by the electrolysis?
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 13:13

Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 13:13
If water is able to pass between the sections bolted together then the water acts as an electrolyte and the Aluminium effectively becomes an anode and gets eaten away.
It's a common problem on boats particularly on transoms where the stainless steel bolt pass through the Aluminium to have the Aluminium entirely eaten away.
Apparently the grade of Stainless bolts makes a difference and 316 is recommended rather than 304 in a marine enviroment.
Aluminium bullbars are another one where they bolt to the chassis (if there is bare steel) to see similar problems.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 15:26

Sunday, Nov 23, 2008 at 15:26
I built the body of my OKA motorhome from the chassis up.
I know that is different from a caravan, but aftr 100,000km of serious travel, I would be quite comfortable using a similar technique for a caravan, EXCEPT that I would eliminate ALL steel above the chassis.

The body is 20mm thick fibreglass/foam/fibreglass sandwich panel. It is held together with Sikaflex. There are NO mechanical fixings. The materials are relatively expensive, but the result is stunning and the effort is low. Cut to shape with a jig saw an glue it on. Edge trim or reinforce with powder coated aluminium extrusions. No frame of any kind required. (the OKA has a lightweight steel frame that I would eliminate 'next time').
All the furnature is made the same way, using the same material and becomes part of the structure.
Insulation is inherrent in the panel, weight is low, strength is high and finish is superb, by default.

There are a few pics on a slide show on the link below.
Give us a call if you want to talk about it.

Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 Motorhome
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Reply By: Danny & Helen - Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:48

Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:48
Thanks for the advice gents. I will make sure I insulate the alloy form the steel.

Thanks Peter I was looking at using the 'cooler room' type material at one stage. The same as yours only using aluminim sides instead of fibreglass. They use it in making these toy haulers a lot in the USA.

I was worried abouts its structual integrity so I may well give you a ring in the near future if your ok with that.

Thanks
Danny
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 18:51

Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 18:51
Sure Danny, be happy to help if I can.
I would advise against the aluminium panel, ONLY because minor damage is easy to do and impossible to repair.
The fibreglass is probably heavier, stronger, tougher, but it really depends on what your needs are.
There are comercially built vans that use an aluminium / plywood panel too.


Cheers,
Peter
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