Touring vehicle ideas - wagon or ute?

Submitted: Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 16:06
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Hiya seasoned travellors,

I'm researching into suitable vehicles for touring duties. As my dream is to take it overseas I don't want to have to tow a caravan/CT etc. So this will pretty much limit me to a roof top tent.

It would have to have 4/5 seats and be auto.

So would you get a ute with canopy/trademen box or a wagon?

I like the idea of dual cab ute with box on the tray that can house the fridge, stove, stores etc with a roof topper on top.

Plus when used as a DD I can remove the box and save quite a bit of weight.

What do people think of the new Mitsu Tritons? I know the Toyos are very popular around the world but what other brands are popular, and hence get spares/repairs for?



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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 16:23

Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 16:23
Get a Landcruiser Wagon or a 4.2 Pootrol and chop it.

They make very good touring vehicles and have more cab space than a conventional dual cab.

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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 16:35

Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 16:35
Thanks for the suggestions but yeah I've thought about that and it's too many $$$.

I would rather something stockish and modify it as little as possible to do the job - mild suspension lift, tyres, bar work, lockers etc. Nothing too major.
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Reply By: Notso - Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 16:40

Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 16:40
Personally having had a Patrol, wagon and now the proud owner of the new Triton 3.2 CR DID, I would go for a wagon for what you want to do.

That's not to say the Triton isn't a great vehicle. I use it for towing and it's great. Done nearly 50000ks now and it's been faultless and very economical. It is also a less expensive than even the Patrol and a heap less expensive than the Landcruiser.

It is just that the wagons are more comfortable for general touring and 4WDing.
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Reply By: Willem - Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 17:25

Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 17:25
Came across this the other day while researching something else


http://www.allterrainmotorhomes.com/
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 19:33

Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 19:33
Sitting over the front axle in rough terrain aint fun.....you bounce around and your back cops a hiding....not for me.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 18:53

Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 18:53
What countries do you want to take the vehicle to ? Some vehicles are easy to service world wide and others not so easy, this could effect your final descision.
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 22:19

Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 22:19
Well the ultimate aim would be up through Asia, and across Russia into Europe.

I know the Toyotas would be well serviced but what about other marques?
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy - Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 22:21

Monday, Nov 24, 2008 at 22:21
Land Rover Defender 130 dual cab. Full sized cab to take adults, also full sized tray to cart a lot of stuff around with you. Landies are everywhere around the world too.

There are problems with this vehicle though. Heat radiating through the floor, hand brake that digs into your calf and uncomfortable seats. If you are willing to fix these problems I would suggest one of the 130's. You may have to learn how to drive a manual though!

Barnesy
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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 00:08

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 00:08
Yeah quite a few people have been suggesting the Defenders but more preference for the 110 just due to the driveability of the shorter wheelbase.

I would like some creature comforts though, for example a dry cabin, not too much road noise and air con/heating that works well.

I'm not adverse to manuals, as I've had a 75-series Troopy in the past but want something more comfortable to cruise around in. The 1HZ slug and leaves fore and aft was way too bouncy to live with.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 15:55

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 15:55
We rebuilt our Defender 130 TDi 300, completely reconditioned for long-range travel. Mind you less of the travel in recent times.

Email me if you would like further detail. Details in the profile.


Cheers
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 06:31

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 06:31
Having owned both a wagon and a ute, for me the ute is way ahead. The amount of space available makes it a hands down winner.

But, check out the comfort in the back. If you're going to be carrying rear seat passengers over long periods this should be your first consideration.

After you've established that, measure the tray. The Triton, for example has a very short tray (some 150mm shorter than most). After all, space is a major reason for going with a ute.

Cheers,

Jim.



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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 13:30

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 13:30
Thanks Jim,

The Triton is actually about 200mm shorter then the rest. However I suppose the extra length goes into the cabin.

Having sat on what Nissan call a back seat in their Navara I can see how comfort is important, which is why I'm looking at the triton. The backseat will only be used when as a DD so not for touring since it will only be 1-2 people.

I would actually be removing the tub and putting a tray in place with a slide-on box for stowage and a roof top tent.

Weight might be an issue but they all have the same approx GVM.

Every way I look at it utes have far more space but the difference in comfort levels between a ute and wagon comes into account too.
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 08:54

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 08:54
Had an 80 series cruiser and c/t for our last 6 mth trip , now have dual cab ute , loved the cruiser , love the ute more , space + space + space , only problem is that the ute wont fit into the garage , is longer , wider and higher , gone from 4.2 turbo diesel to 3.0 intercooled turbo diesel , real usage power differece is minimal . fuel savings significant. Remember allso that in SE ASIA Isuzu is tne no1 player , not tojo or nissan etal.
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Reply By: disco driver - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 13:35

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 13:35
Hi Ben,
If your dream comes true and you get to go through Asia, Russia and Europe be aware that some of those areas are considerably less civilised than here in Australia. Things may just disappear from a ute unless it's fitted with a very secure mesh cage.
For that reason among others, I would suggest that you consider either van or wagon configuration. This sort of limits you to the bigger wagons and/or dual cabs with canopies. Needing 4-5 seats severely limits the amount of gear space available and also your choice of vehicle.

I would suggest that you seriously consider the LandRover 130 with a cage on the tray and a canvas cover over that. You could fit a rooftent on top of all that if needed. Normal dual cabs are not really big enough in the back seat area for extended travel.

Disco.
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Reply By: peterll - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 14:35

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 14:35
Hi ben_gv3

Having done the trip I would recommend that you go for a fully enclosed vehicle. One that fits inside a shipping container. A Toyota Troopy is indeed a good vehicle for travelling in remote places, security of items, servicing , parts etc. However...it is a real squeeze to get one in a 20 foot container. I say that as you will probably also have roof racks ?

I agree with others here especially about the security of items. The ute idea is great for travelling in some countries and even AUstralia. The route you dream of may mean that you would have little left by the time you arrive at Lake Baikal.

As for brands.... Landrover or Toyota. Do not even think of any other as parts will be difficult to come by, should they be required. You will meet many other travellers who drive either of the two mentioned.

the 110 is the preferred vehicle if you go with Landrover. If Toyotoa the 78 series with purpose built back is the way to go.

Tritons are great for Australia and parts of Asia from then on hmmm..good luck.

Don't forget to build in a safe somewhere for items that must survive the trek. Can't emphasise enough doing a first aid course and know how to do needlework for cuts if need be.

My suggestion ?

Go see Australia first, really get out into the bush as there isn't much off-shore that can't be found in your own big backyard.

Once you have done that or some of it. Then spend the next 12 months planning in detail your dream. There are several sites on the internet (http://dreamers1.com/russia/Practicalities/Russia_Mongolia_Practicalities.htm) that offer some good advice for such a trip.

Sure it is somewhat testing at times and you look at each other and ask what the heck are we doing. The answer is the Mallory quote..Because it is there.

Go for it

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Follow Up By: peterll - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 14:41

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 14:41
Oops..didn't read your post in detail.

If you feel that modifications are too much money..have you thought of how much such a dream may set you back if all goes well ?

Begin at about $25 to $30000 by the time you get back home.

And yes..modifications or strengthening is definitely something to think about even if a new vehicle.

Follow the dream :)
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Follow Up By: peterll - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 14:50

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 14:50
ok so oop I had more thoughts reading this thread.

Roccaro or similar seats..individual seating. Rip out the existing seats if you want long term comfort in either Toyota or Land Rover. You may need to do the same for the rear seating as well. You mentioned 4/5 seats. 4 individual seats with lifting arm rests might be considered.

While Izuzu is popular in SE Asia..most likely you will head straight to Japan, across to Russia from there. Toyota is popular around there :)

You will be surprised how well travelled the roads across are by those doing the big circle. If you are taking children get them to start learning local languages..Kids learn faster with Hello and Can you help me, please.

ok enough from me

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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 15:17

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 15:17
Thanks for the info Peter,

That website is awesome, I assume it is yours?

WRT to a ute, I was going to go with one of those trademens boxes, the one with the lockable gullwing doors on the sides. Would this provide enough security?

A reasoning for having a lockable body on the ute is also so I can have swing out gas cookers and table from the tray, which would make cooking duties more streamlined.

A 2.2m high shipping container is a bit of restriction, and also having to remove the roof top tent from your Troopy.

Is there a reason people don't travel up from Singapore and then thru SE Asia and China? I've heard China is very hard to get your vehicle thru the red tape????

I won't be travelling with kids. My requirement for 4-5 seats is because I want to use it as a daily driver so want the convenience of a back seat. Maybe I'm asking too much?

WRT to the cost of modifications. I was referring to the cost of a ute chop (approx $10k) on top of travel costs. I have no problems with spending money for necesary mods, but a ute chop I feel is too much outlay.

First aid I've got covered.

Once again, thanks for all the tips.

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Follow Up By: ben_gv3 - Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 15:33

Tuesday, Nov 25, 2008 at 15:33
Hi Peter again,

What do you mean by "If Toyotoa the 78 series with purpose built back is the way to go."?

Are you talking about the tradesmen box that I talked about previously?
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