The old decision, a Nissan or a Toyota
Submitted: Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 21:10
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kingkennas
Hi all
I'm currently choosing between the swb automatic non turbo GQ I've got with low kilometres or an 80 series Sahara automatic turbo diesel with the same low kilometres. What would be quicker on the road going up hills and overtaking and towing. What would have better on road handling, is it true the GQ has better stability than the 80 series (I do heaps on windy roads), what's stronger and more reliable of the two generally, what's normally better of the two on the tracks, what's normally better in the sand, would the 80 handle better on unsealed roads being longer or the swb being shorter and lighter, what would be more economical. I've taken the 80 series for a test drive but it was hard to tell the handling and power driving smooth straight backstreats for five minutes. How much heavier is the 80 turbo diesel Sahara over the SWB diesel GQ. What's got more ground clearance the GQ SWB or the 80. Anyone who's driven both tell me everything you can. One question to, forget about overdrive / power, do they have three gears or four gears, reason I ask automatic Sahara’s I’ve seen in the past have got 1st, 2nd, 3rd and drive, this one and my GQ have got 1st, 2nd and drive, what’s the difference is there any. Would a turbo diesel 80 series be quicker on the road than a GQ 4.2 petrol (I used to have one). Fire away
Reply By: Crackles - Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 21:48
Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 21:48
80 series TD by far. Better in sand, on the road, towing & more economical driven at the same speed. Cruiser would overtake & have faster top speed than a non TD Nissan.
Ground clearance is determined by tyre size but the Nissan will have the edge in ramp over being a shorty & are renowned as being a tougher vehicle mechanically although the 80 is pretty good too. The 80 (particually being a Sahara) will be far more comfortable with a superior driving posistion. Both are reliable & have good fix's for their respective weakness's.
Cheers Craig.........
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Follow Up By: kingkennas - Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 21:58
Saturday, Nov 29, 2008 at 21:58
I know generally the ground clearance is determined by tyre size but a tough choice for me, the 80 has smaller diffs but the things that hang down under
the springs that you put the caster plates on are twice the size on the 80 than the GQ and are even lower than the diff.
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Follow Up By: Ozrover - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 08:33
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 08:33
Doesn't the 80 Sahara also have a rear diff lock as standard, or was that an option?
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Follow Up By: kingkennas - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:14
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:14
I think they have front and rear standard and that's what this one's got and my SWB has got front and rear to
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Reply By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 07:19
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 07:19
HOLDEN
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 08:35
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 08:35
Its a bit hard to work out your question.
Are you asking for differences between a SWB GQ non-turbo Diesel and a 80 series turbo diesel?
In my opinion they'll both do more then most people are prepared to try them out on. The GQ will be slower but is most likely cheaper also, so you could spend that extra money on a turbo, and it would round up the 80 easily. Would you need the extra space of the 80? The 80 would be wider and longer and you could fit more in, may also be thirstier.
The 80 will have more ground clearance under the diffs as they're smaller, but they break more then the GQ ones do. Don't be too worried about the spring hangers being lower on the 80 series cause they are so close to the
wheels.
In the end ot comes down to what YOU need from a vehicle
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Follow Up By: kingkennas - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:30
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:30
For local Victorian day and weekend trips the swb has got the space I need and I've never even used a roof rack but for outback trips I much prefer a longy. Yes I am asking the differences beteen a SWB GQ non-turbo Diesel and a 80 series turbo diesel, such as what would handle better on windy unsealed roads, should I go the lighter car or the longer more stable / steady car
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:06
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:06
Are you are seriously going bush, or just playing around?
If you are seriously going bush, the one that is the best performer or most reliable is not a relevent question.
The best one to own is the one that has the best avaiability of spares in the bush, and there is no competition or question about that answer.
Cattle stations, mining operators, tour operators don't buy Nissans.
There will be a rear spring or a front drive shaft for a Tojo under the next tree on the left.
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 Motorhome
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Follow Up By: kingkennas - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:26
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:26
I do a lot of day and weekend bush four wheel driving and the main reason why I'm thinking about an 80 series instead of a swb is so I can do more outback trips, but it's hard to say whether my swb is better or worse locally and stuff.
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Reply By: Bearly - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:00
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:00
I recently spent a year in the outback and broke 2 new Nissans due to their inability to stand up to the rough roads using them full time and changed to a Toyota which lasted for 8 months till my contract ended and was still going strong. They dont call it Toyota country for nothing.
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Follow Up By: Ozrover - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 18:14
Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 18:14
Yep, after spendind the last eight months working in a caravan
park in Alice, the vehicles we saw the most coming in on the back of tilt trays were, (1) LR Discoveries, (2) 3.0l Nissan Patrols & (3) NM Pajeros.
After crossing the Simpson in April with my BIL who has a 4800 Patrol, the 80 series had 0 faults & used 115l of diesel from
Birdsville to Mt Dare, the Patrol broke its muffler off & cracked a rear
suspension arm mount (also seen on other Patrols) & used 172l of ULP.
All the locals seem to drive some form of LC.
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Reply By: bilgolabands - Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 23:21
Sunday, Dec 07, 2008 at 23:21
You know all I seem to hear is people knocking 3 ltr. Patrols.
We have a GQ 3 ltr with 70k on the clock and it has not missed a beat.
After all I have read in forums and the like about 10 months ago I began asking 3litre owners opinions in servos, car parks, picnic spots, off road camps, in fact anywhere I could grab the owners ear for 30 seconds.
After around 110 owners spoken to I have yet to meet one of the legendary owners of the so called "dud".
To date all have been more than happy and they too are confused with the reports they hear. A few have spoken about the need to check the "mass air sensor" before about 80k kms but they agree with me the Series 3 and on are more than adequate for whatever the normal 4wd user would need on amd off the bitumen. Fuel sipping on the open road runs between 11 and 13 ltr per 100 kms.
When the price difference between the Patrol and the 200 series Cruiser is compared there really is no comparison.
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