Has anyone "actualy" had problems with "a good quality modified sinewave inverte

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Hi all
Just looking for an inverter and would like to get a 500w modified sinewave and possibly would like to run a small fridge / freezer later on with it.
So when people say the power is not as good etc etc as a "pure sinewave inverter" I can understand that.
But does it realy matter?
Who can tell me that it has caused any damage? and to what?
Look forward to hearing what experiences are out there.
Kind Regards
GN
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Reply By: Foxhound (WA) - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:31

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:31
Have been using a modified sine wave inverter in our caravan for a few years now and have had no problems at all regards charging mobile phone, running small appliances and a small domestic freezer. I believe some appliances eg computers etc may need a pure sine wave but I have personally had no problems with anything else. You mention a 500w inverter to run a small fridge/freezer, I don't believe this will be big enough as you will need at least over a 1000w to start it. I have tried to start a domestic freezer with 1000w inverter and the relay will just keep clicking with not enough power to start it. I have installed a 2000w in our van and it will start and run a small domestic freezer, vacuum cleaner and any other appliance in the van with the exception of the air conditioner. You should be able to pick up a 2000w inverter for around $600.
Regards Foxhound (WA)
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:41

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:41
Thanks foxhound
Good info.
I am surprised you can get 2000 watt for that $, but i havnt realy looked yet as i wanted to work out what type i wanted.
I have been told 500watt will run/start some small fridge / freezers, perhaps i should go the 1000 or 2000?
Space and weight are an issue too.
What kind of weght / size is a 2000watt unit?

Kind Regrads
GN
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Reply By: Foxhound (WA) - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:59

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 13:59
The freezer I mentioned above is a 60 litre Mistral domestic chest freezer. A 1300w Robin Generator will start it only just providing the freezer has not been running for awhile and there is no pressure build up in the compressor. I would say without a doubt it would not start with 1000w inverter but the 2000w does it with ease. The 2000w inverter I have is a Protector brand (I think) and I purchased it from Repco a few years back for $500 on special. The unit is about 450mm long x about 250mm wide and about 100mm in depth connected by heavy duty battery cable to two 130amp hour Trojan deep cycle batteries. I can actually run the freezer on 240v while we travel with the vehicle charging the batteries via an anderson plug. To run an inverter of this size you will need a reasonable battery power supply as the inverter itself does use some power when on standby mode. Hope this has been of some help.
Regards Foxhound (WA)
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 14:00

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 14:00
Never had a problem
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 14:07

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 14:07
Check out thread 63748, pretty much answers your questions.

Jim.

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Reply By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 14:40

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 14:40
I have. 400w good quality MSW inverter refuses to run 180W PS for laptop. No-one can answer you on this question in full – you have to try. Generally more load going to passive end less likely you will have any problem. Thus things like irons and tungsten bulb 100% proven; motors usually OK. Most problematic switch-mode PS (commonly found in laptops nowadays) and especially devices that relays on sine form to work properly – best examples tyristor controllers of different kind, i.e. dimmers and variable speed AC motors found in some appliances like drills. You have to try it to found.

Cheers
Serg
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Follow Up By: Angler - Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 22:36

Sunday, Nov 30, 2008 at 22:36
Someone mentioned a good sine wave is needed for a standard computer system. Not so.

Check out the pictures of waveshapes on my web site and look at the shape of the wave from a standard UPS, a UPS is the uninterrupted power supply used by heaps of people with computer systems to prevent loss of data in the even of a power fail.

http://web.aanet.com.au/bycompass/toppage1.htm

Pooley
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Follow Up By: Member - Serg (VIC) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 07:58

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 07:58
Hi Pooley!

Interesting study. As for me 160W el-chepo “SOLA” by no means “standard” UPS for business use. Also I never said that PSW “a must” to run computer, rather “some SM PS may be problematic with MSW” and I have first-hand hard prove for this statement; and BTW other laptop runs from abovementioned inverter without any problem. Still thanks a lot for posting, it open my eyes as well – no “standard SOLA UPS” ever going to be considered for even back-up a modem.

Cheers
Serg
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Follow Up By: festy - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 11:54

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 11:54
I've had one laptop battery destroyed by constant use with a cheap 300w MSW inverter.
It's not the waveform shape that's the problem - SMPSs convert the 240v to DC in their first stage anyway - it was that the cheap inverter couldn't maintain it's waveform under load, and in it's struggle to keep the waveform it put very short high voltage spikes on the output.
These made it through the SMPS and into the battery, which shortened it's life very quickly. These spikes can be clearly seen with a DSO.

I've got a decent 800w MSW inverter and have had no issues with laptops etc. Having said that, my 800w inverter can barely start my 60w waeco CK-40.
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Reply By: SCUBADOO - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 17:39

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 17:39
G N

I have a 70L Mistral freezer modified to operate as a refrigerator in my motorhome. A Jaycar Powertech 500watt "pure sine wave inverter" and it will JUST start it reliably with nothing else connected. It and the fridge run almost silently. I tried the same brand 600watt modified square wave version but it would not start the freezer and shut down. A Powertech 1000watt modified square wave model easily started it but the compressor motor made such growling sounds while running that is was immediately very apparent that damage was going to occur and we would never have a good night’s sleep (-:
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Follow Up By: Member - G N (VIC) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 20:37

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 20:37
Scubadoo
thank you for this
thats the kind of info i was after, its seems there is quite a convincing reason to go pure.
Cheers
GN
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