Petrol Commissioner answers my email !

Submitted: Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 16:46
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The other day I sent off an email to the petrol commissioner complaining about the disparity of diesel to unleaded prices, well today I received a reply; make of it what you will:



Thank you for your email of 20 November 2008 to the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission (the ACCC) regarding the price of diesel.

The role of the ACCC is to ensure compliance with the Trade Practices Act 1974 (TPA), which is designed to encourage fair trading and discourage anti-competitive conduct through a specific set of competition and consumer protection rules.

Since 1 August 1998 petrol and diesel prices have been deregulated and wholesalers and retailers are free to set their own prices based on market conditions. However, on 17 December 2007 the Assistant Treasurer and Minister for Competition and Consumer Affairs, the Hon Chris Bowen MP, directed the ACCC to formally monitor prices, costs and profits relating to the supply of unleaded petrol products in the petroleum industry in Australia.

The ACCC has acknowledged the substantial increase in Australian diesel prices and continues to monitor international benchmark prices and retail price movements on a daily basis across capital cities and country towns as directed by the Assistant Treasurer and Minister for Competition and Consumer Affairs, Mr. Chris Bowen.

Movements in fuel prices in Australia tend to follow international benchmarks. The benchmark for diesel is the spot price of Singapore Gasoil (with 50 parts per million sulphur content). The benchmark for petrol is the spot price of Singapore Mogas 95 Unleaded, which is refined petrol and not crude oil. There is generally a time lag of around one to two weeks between changes in international prices and changes in retail prices, due to the averaging formula used by refiners in Australia when setting their wholesale prices. This lag may be longer in country areas because fuel stocks are replenished less frequently by wholesalers and retailers in the country, due to the generally lower volume of sales.

The ACCC has also released a booklet Understanding petrol pricing in Australia – Answers to some frequently asked questions, which aims to help consumers to understand petrol pricing in Australia. I have attached a link to this publication for your convenience:

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item.phtml?itemId=759646&nodeId=2272bce5fa908a51b04c8a154724d915&fn=Understanding%20petrol%20pricing%20booklet.pdf.

The booklet also notes (on page 11) that the level of competition in local markets is determined by many factors including:

·population,

· geographical location,

· the number of wholesale suppliers,

· the point of supply (i.e. whether the supplies are sourced directly from the terminal or through distributors),

· whether the fuel is bought on a contract or non-contract basis,

· the volume and frequency of purchases,

· the extent to which discounts are provided,

· freight and distribution costs,

· the level of price support provided by the oil companies,

· the scope of the retailers’ business operations (i.e. whether other goods and services are provided),

· the types of retailers (i.e. oil majors, independents and supermarkets),

· the number of retailers,

· the margins set by retailers,

· the profile of customers (e.g. whether they are primarily locals or people passing through), and

· possible anti-competitive practices (such as price fixing).



Thank you for contacting the ACCC , I trust this information is of interest.

Yours sincerely,



Louise

ACCC Infocentre

Ph: 1300 302 502

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I knew I was probably wasting my time and this confirmed it.
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 16:49

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 16:49
Glory be, snow on the 1st of December. We DO live in the age of miracles.

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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 16:54

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 16:54
Looks like the good old stock reply that says a lot and says nothing much.

Landy has posted more detail and up to date info on this forum than what these guys said.

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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 17:00

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 17:00
Hey Wicket

At least you tried, and now we all have a Phone Number to call,
and Verbally Vent Our Spleen, look out LOUISE lol lol.


Cheers
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Reply By: Mr Pointyhead - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 17:53

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 17:53
A bit of research on what the singapore gasoil price is would seem to indicate that same large drops as unleaded petrol .....

See

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/rgosin5d.htm

then

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_spt_s1_d.htm

and

http://www.bunkerworld.com/markets/prices/sg/sin/
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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 20:16

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 20:16
It must be Xmas !
BUT upon reading his verbage am I any more enlightened?
NOPE !
WE are still being ripped off !
Give Landy his job ! At least he can make the excuses in plain English!! :)))))))
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:44

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:44
J'essaie vraiment à au moins
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Follow Up By: Member - Footloose - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 22:05

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 22:05
Oui, mon ami. Peut-être
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Follow Up By: Member - Duncs - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:19

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 23:19
Is that Greek or something?

Didn't understand a word.

Duncs
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:21

Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:21
me neither
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Follow Up By: Mudripper - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:03

Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:03
I believe it's French
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Reply By: Rowie - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:32

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:32
1. The response (in true political fashion) clearly fails to address the question you submitted.

2. The response references the Singapore parity price.

3. Given Australia DOES NOT purchase all (nor does it import the majority) of its diesel from Singapore, why on earth is the Singapore price used as a reference?

4. A very good friend of the family was an exec at Shell when the Singapore parity price system was brought in. It is his view that the system is a government scam which simply rips off motorists.

I admit I don't understand it very well, but if diesel ( a byproduct of the refining process - ie the crap left over) is 20c/lt dearer than ULP in Australia, something is clearly wrong, especially when in NZ Diesel is cheaper than ULP by the same margin!!

Does anyone understand the situation?
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:46

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:46
In New Zealand diesel vehicles pay a road tax that pushes the price above ULP.
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Reply By: Ranger75 - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:34

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:34
Well the ACCC have shown us what they are good at. The're good Monitors, you know just like the blackboard monitors at school in days of old.
They do as the teacher tells......look but don't touch..
The Singapore FOB Gas Oil Price in US cents per gallon [US gallon] over recent months has decreased by 53 percent.
What has diesel done here in Oz......about 25%

The oil coys have a ring around Oz, that keeps the competition just where they like it.

Price history: US cents per US gallon.
17 March 08 312.62
14 April 08 327.98
02 Jun 08 376.93
07 July 08 421.50
04 Aug 08 347.05
08 Sep 08 286.19
13 Oct 08 195.71
24 Nov 08 144.17

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Follow Up By: The Landy - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:48

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:48
.....the Australian dollar has fallen by around 30% since July. It costs more Australian dollars to purchase the same amount of US dollars.
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 22:57

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 22:57
Jeez Landy don't spoil his parade, he thought he was onto a good thing before you chucked that old Chesnut of exchange rates into the equation :-)


Why bugger a good story with the truth.


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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:55

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:55
Has anyone approached their Federal Member or their Motoring Association to get a fair pricing on Diesel ?
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Reply By: Ranger75 - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:57

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 21:57
Thanks Landy,
As you know the inhouse Treasury boys hedge the US dollar in the contracts so the impact on long crude cargoes is much reduced.
I was focusing on the relative movement of the spot price over recent time.
Not wanting to get into a deep discussion on Refinery economics or what is really meant by "the ring Aaround Oz" as it won't help the readers here but I am sure you know what is meant.
It's just a shame the Australian economic growth is held to ransom by the cost of hydrocarbon energy, has been for decades.
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 22:05

Monday, Dec 01, 2008 at 22:05
My probably incomplete knowledge is that the price of fuel in Australia is set at import parity Singapore to encourage oil companies to refine and sell petrol here rather than export crude oil.

AFAIR this was introduced after the agreement made way back in 1974 or so where the government set the price at $4?? per barrel expired.
It is a non socialist way of ensuring that some refining stays in Australia to ensure self sufficiency in war or emergency, and also to reimburse oil companies for maintaining strategic reserves in many locations in Australia. That is why Port Stanvac is on care and maintenance and not just dismantled.
There is a bigger picture.
Regards Philip A
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 10:38

Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 10:38
Oh well gentlemen, its a blessing in disguise for me, when the
Cook says Daza, its about time you Mowed the Lawn,
I can say sorry luv, the Aussie Dollar has dropped, and Mower Fuel
is to dear, have to wait for the Dollar to go up again.

Cheers
Daza
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Reply By: DIO - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:29

Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:29
Sorry to 'rain on your parade boys', BUT, whilst the price of diesel remains higher than unleaded then I'm all in favour as it helps to keep MY running costs down. Like they say, "Can't please all of the people ALL of the time"!!!! I'm happy.
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Follow Up By: Moose - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 14:41

Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 14:41
Me too DIO.
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