Vehicle insurance help
Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 13:04
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Gossy
I am having major problems with my insurance so seeking advice on what others have done.
I have a GQ 2.8td 1996 Patrol. Market value would have it around the $10,000 mark for just the vehicle. I also have $10,000 worth of accessories (2" lift,
snorkel, roof rack, aux fuel etc etc).
I use to have it at an agreed value of $20,000 but I realised that I had not mentioned my raised
suspension. Now that I have mentioned this I have hit hurdles. I have to mention this or if I do have a major crash they will use this as a loop hole to not pay.
The best I can find (thru a broker) is they will cover only 25% cost of the accessories ($4290 value) but I have $10,000 worth of accessories. My excess will also go up from $250 to $500 also.
I'm sure I am not the only one in this
forum with aftermarket accessories!! What have others done with your insurance?
I don't use the patrol very much around town (I ride the bike into work or drive the Camry). 90% of it's driving is when we go away or weekends when I need to carry stuff around. Once a fortnight I might have to drive it to work if I clash with my wifes shift work.
Because of this am I best to insure the car for absolute minimum $ and hope I don't crash; and the $ I am saving ($970/yr) I put towards that day I do have a crash??
Current insurer is CGU. The broker has had no luck finding another company to better the price given but obviously they don't have everyone on their books.
Reply By: Member - Tour Boy (Bororen) - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 13:17
Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 13:17
DGA. Will insure everything at market value. But if you get an independant valuation they will do an agreed value. Also have a 10,000km or less policy.
http://www.dgainsurance.com.au/
Cheers
Dave
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Reply By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 13:41
Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 13:41
Give TCIS a call they will sort you out
DGA will also help you
Lumley does
mine and I am very happy with them
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Reply By: traveller2 - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 13:43
Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 13:43
Unfortunately the value of the accessories drops to virtually nothing once fitted to the vehicle.
Even when buying (or selling) a secondhand vehicle fitted accessories are only worth a fraction of their original cost.
The insurance co's are really only interested in what the sale of a wreck would bring if it was written off.
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Reply By: Flywest - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 15:06
Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 15:06
Self Insure!
Yep.
Open aseparate bank account for insurance use ONLY!
Borrow the 20 grand from your bank and deposit it into the insurance account in case you need ti6 one day!
Cancel your insurance.
Put the premiums toward paying off your personal loan.
1. You have the amount needed at any time in case of accident.
2. you can repay the loan in full any time you need too as long as you don't crash.
3. Your getting compound interest on your 20K lump sum.
4. Over a period of time you'll get to own that 20K plus compound interest by paying off the loan over some years.
5. Yes you will pay interest on it BUT you will also be getting interest back so really your onlu cost is the interest differential or margin - maybe 4%
6. There is no question about whether your insurer will pay or not - you are the decider!
7. You'd have lost 20 K over enough years with an insurer for zero return (unless you claim)!
Now 5years or so later after you've paid the loan off - you have a lump sum of 20K plus compound interest...
When you go tot he bank for another loan for any purpose like a new car or house deposit etc and want to borrow money - they will see you already have plenty and don;t really need it - hence they will throw moneyy at you like theres no tomorrow in any amount you want!.
You can up the anti and self insure EVERYTHING if you want - i.e borrow enough to cover the house car furniture health etc insurance premiums and put the LOT into paying off your loan.
Lets face it your not likely to need to claim on ALL your insurances at once (house car health furniture etc etc) so really inspeaking you just need a lump sum to cover a contingency of any ONE event occurring.
This way 4 premiums pay off a larger loan quicker and you are still covered if anyone of the events happens.
If everyone did it there would be no insurance parasites in this world!
Caveat - if you self insure - don't drive like an idiot - coz you will be the one paying! ;o)
Cheers!
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Follow Up By: 944runner - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 15:27
Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 15:27
That is all good and
well until the day arrives that you run into and write off someone's Ferrari in your $80,000 new 4wd, imagine that $80,000 4WD write off plus the cost of the Ferrari, you will be in debt for a while!
Now the likelihood of that happening is quite remote but I for one am not willing to take that chance. It sounds good to not have to pay an insurance company (believe me I have had my fair share of trouble) but I would be willing to risk being in debt for the rest of my life!
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Follow Up By: Flywest - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 15:45
Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 15:45
[quote] I for one am not willing to take that chance.[/quote]
You can for that situation if your worried about it, for very little $ take out a "2nd party only" policy (i.e. it doesn't cover your car - only the other party's car/s!).
That way you still self insure on your own vehicle and for a quite small premium, your covered when you hit someone elses ferrari!
When i had a few old 'junkers' - for the missus to get to work - not worth insuring, I had such 2nd party only policys, very small premiums indeed!
Best of both worlds!
Cheers!
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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 15:49
Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 15:49
Flywest
What about if the other person does not have insurance?
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Reply By: Gossy - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 17:15
Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 17:15
sorry for the lack of feedback but I have been doing some calls on the advice I have got.
Best deal so far is thru DGA Insurance. Excess dropped to $250, car insured for $25,600 (this is $5,500 to much as the way they price the vehicle is out; I now have the most expensive GQ in Australia going by carpoint!!).
fully covered off road (sand,
water in engine etc) and all roads Aust wide (Simpson, Canning etc) with repairer of my choice and all the accessories are covered at 100% cost (compared to 25%).
All this for $200 less :)
Due to the time difference I will need to call them back tmw. Thanks everyone for your advice. You have got me a better deal and saved $200! (now $749 instead of $970)
Gossy
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 22:42
Tuesday, Dec 02, 2008 at 22:42
Affinity have insured my Croozer for what I paid for it plus $11,000 for accessories I provided a written list with retail prices.
Cost me about $600 for $65,000 worth of cover.
Anywhere provided all mods are legal.
Surprisingly both them and DGA use Lumleys as the actual insurer as both are just brokers
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Follow Up By: madcow - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 07:24
Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 07:24
Crikey! $749.00. We have agreed value on ours at $55,000.00 for $480 for the next year. Including 2" raised
suspension and accessories for a 03 GU 4.2tdi.
We are not in the city (which will make a difference) and are with RACV.
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Follow Up By: Gossy - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:37
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:37
just called the RACV but they only insure for their own state. The RAA (SA for me) was no good.
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Reply By: Gossy - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:05
Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:05
Affinity is looking good. They are calling me back to give me a person to give an indenpendant valuation of the car.
they value the car itself at $12,500 which is much more realistic. with my accessories fully covered (after the valuation) my insurance would be $585.
so, within 1 week I have gone from $970 to $585. Brilliant!
That is basically 8 cartons of Boags beer free every year :)
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