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Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:32
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hello. i was a fan ( big ) of the BTM . one day i mentioned this to a friend and he said ' no mate he is arrogant and couldnt be bothered ' . i dissmised this comment for a while until the conversation came up again with someone else and he (the someone else) said the same thing................hmmmm maybe correct. and then i met someone who was in the army with him an told me that all his 'scenes' where set up, he would ( les hiddens) land in a helicopter, set up for the shoot, and then bugger off to the nearest place of comfort ( hotel/motel) in his chopper.
And this all disturbed me , i thought he was a genuine bush folk with a bit of knowledge to give to folk like us..maybe he was just a show pony.
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Reply By: Gramps (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:36

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:36
LOL, love the BTM

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Follow Up By: qubert - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:38

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:38
ahhh technical jargon......
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Follow Up By: qubert - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:38

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:38
good on ya gramps
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 23:58

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 23:58
Careful young Al, BTM could be construed several ways!

Geoff


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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:40

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:40
Will this one last longer than the first??

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Follow Up By: qubert - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:45

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 22:45
yes. cos it doesnt denote anyone.......i didnt mean to be offencive . he is army tuff i thought.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 23:08

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 23:08
I missed the first (deleted) thread, so I'll respond on the basis of no knowledge of what has gone before.

A touch of truth perhaps in what you say (or have heard), but he was genuinely interested in what he did.

I served with Les for a while in the mid 70s at Holsworthy. He was with 161 Recee Sqn (Aviation). I was with 104 Sig Sqn. Both members of the 1st Task Force (as it was at the time) Officers Mess.

Les had a long term interest in 'bush tucker'. He got support from Army Office and led a project to map bush tucker around Australia. Details were to be printed on the back of Army maps to support survival of soldiers in remote areas. I'm not sure, but I think only a small part of the project was concluded. I saw a few of the early maps, but I don't think there was a lot of longer term support for the project.

Aviators in the military at the time had a reputation for liking the comforts of life and not wanting to rough it too much. The important thing is he did know a bit on the subject, he helped inform a lot of people and provided some good entertainment on the way. It was a TV show though.

Norm C
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Follow Up By: qubert - Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 23:16

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 23:16
yes he was / is good at what he represents . another source i was talking to said ' he created the show himself'. this person i was talking to - face to face - said he was with les when they mapped the wells on the csr, and they planted food storeages under the earth for the soldiers to rely on for survival ( i have a few points myself , but maybe food has perrished by now ). it was ineresting. maybe it looks easier on tv . it would have been hard yakka in the north area......
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 23:54

Wednesday, Dec 03, 2008 at 23:54
i have taped all his shows.....lovely country...good ideas for minimum needs camping
Andrew
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Reply By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 00:50

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 00:50
Qubert,
Like Norm C, I missed the first post.

Despite anything the Man may or may not have done, he and his Mate shall be long remembered amongst the veteran community for their efforts to establish Pandanus Park as a secure place for returned servicemen, and for that they have my gratitude.
Missus, Dog'n meself enjoyed the place late one August.
Thanks eh Les.
Jeff H.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:21

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:21
David....Michelle......teamEoz....... another "moderation criterion" is needed..... that of "Comment that no right thinking person, regardless of their interests, could have the slightest interest in, ever !"...... :-o|
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Reply By: Ups and Downs - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:50

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 09:50
For what it's worth while up on the Cape a few years ago a bloke we met told us of meeting the man.

They went down a track looking for a camp site they were told about only to find LH, alone, already occupying the place.

LH then gave them directions to another good place not too far away so off they went.

Later on he turned up with a couple of bottles of nice 'Red' and yarned with them for a while before leaving. Apparently he does/did like spending time alone 'out there'.

They thought he was a good bloke.

One story only but gave me the impression that he was OK.

Paul
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:10

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:10
1987 ... a bloke, driving one of the best appointed army landrovers I had ever seen ... used to come and go from a shed across the road from me at the Townsville army barracks. Had a minion or two to do his bidding when he was around ... and had the typical, "do as I say" military officer attitude.

Asked around and found out who he was to deserve the specialist treatment and found he was on a native food source project, that was to be included when printing the topo maps.

My first thought was what a waste of time ... not enough hours in the day, to do what had to be done on a military exercise, let alone scrounging around for grubs and berries ... and as for getting main course ... there was hardly enough ammo available for target shoots ... let alone risking an "unauthorised discharge" on a 'roo ... Still, an invading force would appreciate the dietary info supplied on captured maps I suppose.

Most common "story" around at the time, was that he spent more time laid up with bellyaches after being offered "good tucker" from the "oh, so knowledgeable ones" than doing anything else.

Later on, when there was a TV series, I realised the initial military side of it wasnt a waste of time at all ... just good prep work.
Got to give the man his dues though ... was certainly passionate about the use of whats available out there in terms of food.

Plenty of time alone and the rank of major in the army would promote an air of aloofness about a person and certainly make that person seem "eccentric" to those debonaire members of the arts world ....... TV film crews. Enjoy the doccos for what they are ... good scenery and ways of spicing up your camp meals. ( and thats my opinion of course )

As Norm C has stated ... there are other good things the man has done ... Not being quite old enough to enjoy "club membership" at the NQ facilities he was instrumental in arranging ... I certainly enjoyed the following excerpt about Pandanus Park.

From: http://www.vvnw-au.org/News/Pandanus_Park.htm

The story goes that Les Hiddins, who is known as the Bush Tucker Man, was yacking to a mate, a Ranger with Parks and Wildlife, (a Government body) and said how it would be good if there were a place where Veterans could ‘chill out’. A former Mayor of Cook Town, Graham Elms, knew just the spot for such a thing. It was 100,000 acres of land, formerly known as Kalpower Station (alias the Green Ant Block), not viable for cattle and purchased in 1980 by the Government for a possible National Park. So Les, Dick Shafer and a couple of their mates, tracked into what is now known as Pandanus Park and had a look around. They liked what they saw. Initially they went for two weeks but stayed for ten. A couple of weeks later, back in Pandanus, Dick and another mate, Jock, were coming in from a night of fishing, ‘buggered’ with their efforts. And just like Peter and the other disciples coming in to land after a nights fishing, there on the shore waiting to greet them was a ‘power of authority.’ Not Jesus in this case, but a Police Officer and believe me, he has a lot of authority in the Outback. “What’s the trouble?” Dick and Jock enquired. “Looking for Veterans” was the laconic reply. He could be laconic as at his heels panted two big dogs and strapped to his hip was a very visible side-arm. “Well you’ve found some,” answered the two Veterans. “Come up to the camp for a brew.” “There is a Ministerial investigation on you blokes” went on the Voice of Authority, “The Minister for the Environment heard that there are Veterans living up here illegally, dressed in camouflage gear and wearing grease paint. It is also reported that they are carrying explosive devices and have sentries placed around the perimeter of this property” Jock and Dick, amazed at what they heard, uttered one word in reply, “Bull bleep !” The Police Officer, who introduced himself as Bobby Haden from the township of Laura, strolled across to his four-wheel drive and, holding the two-way radio, dialed the Inspector in Cairns. He asked the Inspector to speak up but neglected to inform him that Jock and Dick would be listening in to the dialogue. “You all right Bob?” asked the Inspector. “Yeah Sir. The story is all bull bleep Sir. There are just two old fellas here, both grandfathers, and on so many pills for health problems they can’t even take a drink.” “Well……stand down on this one Bob. What are you going to do now?” “Goin’ fishin’ with ‘em Sir.” Over the next few hours, Bob informed Jock and Dick that the Queensland SWAT Team had been put on standby as well as the Police Academy in Cairns. They had just been waiting to hear from Bob before taking their next course of action.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:17

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:17
Apologies ....

Norm C and Jeff H
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Reply By: Ozrover - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:55

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:55
I've always loved the BTM's books & DVDs, lots of interesting stuff about the bush & 4wding.

My wife met him recently when we were working in a caravan park in Alice & found him to be a lovely person, just a bit private & wanted to be left alone, but willing to have a bit of a chat.

Angry Anderson was there around the same time with his family, & couldn't have been friendlier to everyone.

I think all "celebrities" have different ways of dealing with being in the publics view, some are outgoing & are very approachable others just aren't!

Unless you know someone in the public view personally it's very hard to know what they are like in real life.
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Reply By: Member - Kevin J (QLD) - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 14:36

Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 14:36
Qubert,

Don't know how old you might be but if you intend to go through life believing what everyong else says you are going to find that you end up like the dog chasing it's own tail.

If you know the man personally then what you hear and say may be relevant. If you don't know him then keep quiet.

It is better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and confirm the fact. Quote from someone of note.

Kevin J
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