Diesel Ecconomy

Submitted: Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 06:55
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Hi everyone,

I have a 2006 GU 3.0 Lt Turbo Diesel and it has done around 47,000 Km so far. The only mod I have done so far is to install 2 Halcone's on the inlet side to the turbo. I am installing in the next week a Thermal fan for the Intercooler and an Air / Oil Separator.

I have a roof rack and run factory fitted 17 inch Bridgestone Duellers around town and when I go bush I change the wheels over to a set of Silverstone MT 117 Sports 285 75 R16

My question is what type of Lt's / 100 Km should I be getting. Currently I am averaging 14.88 Lt's/100 Km.

I hope someone can give me a comparison.

Regards,

Iceman
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Reply By: Rockape - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 07:48

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 07:48
I used to drive quite a few 3lt patrol diesels between Mackay. Distance 400k and little traffic.

These were bog stock with no weight added. I drove them at 100kph on the knocker, plus gently gently on the throttle and didn't use the cruise control.

I always averaged around 10l/hundred with the best 9.9l/h.

You maybe able to do the same and see what consumption you get.




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Follow Up By: Member - Iceman (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 20:56

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 20:56
Thanks Rockape,

The cruise control was the interesting thing as I use it quite a lot.

Iceman
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Reply By: Alfantz - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:23

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:23
Hi Iceman, I have a 2004 GU 3.0 with 3" lift, Bullbar, winch, storage drawers, 40l water tank behind rear seats, and also keep the fridge in the back. So I carry a bit of extra weight. I also have the Silverstone MT 117 Sport 285 75 R16 on rock crawler rims. I have been getting poor economy (16lts/100km) but found my problem to be faulty injectors. Now I am getting 12l/100km. This is not a common problem and it is unusual for a vehicle that has done 95000kms. But I would think you could expect 12l/100 from your setup. If you have not already check out the patrol forum, http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/. When I was trying to get to the bottom of my excessive fuel usage and took it to a diesel mech, one of the first thing he checked was to make sure I wasn't using a hiclone. I personally don't know if they make a difference or not, but it might be an easy thing to check. Take them out for a while and compare results.

Anthony
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Follow Up By: Member - Iceman (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:09

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:09
Hi Allfantz, thanks for your comments. At the 20,000 Service I had a Fuel Primer replaced and they put a boittle of fuel injecter cleaner in. The next day I drove to Hamilton return trip of 650 Km and got 11.85 Lt's/100Km.

I will take the hilcones out over the weekend. As I am then driving to Albury on Monday and then to Shepperton Tuesday then home so it will give it a good workout.

I will get the injectors looked at but my son whose a mechanic doesn't beleive they would be bloking at this stage.

I expected to get a better result than I am getting after my research prior to getting the car.

Regards,

Iceman
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Reply By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:24

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:24
probably not a fair comparison but I get between 15 and 17l /100kms, with 285mts, rack, with lots of stuff on it, drawers full of tools and recovery gear, Engel plus all the gear that goes along with having two littlies...

If i do a pure economy drive, i can get down to 13.5/14l/100km




I have friends with reasonably standard 3lt GUs that regularly get 11l/100km with a mix of driving

cheers, Dave
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Reply By: traveller2 - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:41

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:41
I always found with the roofrack on a troopy that it knocked about 2 mpg off the economy, the camper on the back did the same and a set of agressive tyres (muddies, MTR's etc) did the same so it isn't very hard to increase the fuel consumption.
Never mind the weight from the gear stuffed inside.
A few times over the years I've traded a vehicle in on another, it's quite amazing how well the old one goes after you strip all the accessories off and remove the trailer load of stuff from inside.
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Reply By: Damo1970 - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:30

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 11:30
Iceman, have you adjusted your consumption figures to allow for speedo inaccuracy due to the larger tyres?

My speedo reads 10% low with 285/75 tyres on compared to the original rubber.

My vehicle is pretty heavily loaded with gear & i usually achieve around 12L/100km
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Follow Up By: Ken - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 19:45

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 19:45
Damo, you are spot on with the inaccuracy of due to larger tyres. There is also the change to the overall gearing this makes and running around with a roof rack chews fuel. If you allow say 1 l/100 penalty for the gearing and 1l/100 km for the roof rack you would be pretty right at 12l/100 km.
As for the Hiclone take it out there is no way it would improve fuel economy
Ken
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Follow Up By: Member - Iceman (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:17

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:17
Damo1970, my 285's are approximately the same. It runs around 92 km when set on 100 km. I check this with my GPS as well.

With my 285 Mud tyres and fully loaded up I was getting depending on what type of driving and area I was in, I have been getting between 16.5 18.5 lts/100Km

Iceman
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Follow Up By: Member - Iceman (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:19

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:19
Ken, The hiclones are going. There appears by the responses I have there is something not quite right.

Iceman.
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Reply By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:59

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:59
*My question is what type of Lt's / 100 Km should I be getting. Currently I am averaging 14.88 Lt's/100 Km.**



this seems terribly high considering you are not carrying any gear or roof rack etc etc


Cheers
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 13:37

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 13:37
That sort of economy is fine for stop start, bush driving. Highway cycle you should be getting 10-11's. Does the economy change when you change wheels.? Do you change the rolling diamter when you go from the 17's to the 16's sounds like you are pretty much spot on with 16's at 285x75.

Weight and driving habits obviously come into play, perhaps take some rough notes with economy as things change to get some averages etc.

At the end of the day don't get too paranoid about it, otherwise the fun stops..!
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Follow Up By: Member - Iceman (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:24

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:24
TerraFirma, As I have just stated above the with my 285 Mud's and fully loaded has increased the level to 16.5 to 18.5

I have been noting the fuel usage since I bought the Patrol 2 years ago. So I will remove the hiclones and see how it goes.

Iceman
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 16:14

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 16:14
G'day Iceman, I cant offer any solutions but you have made my day.......I get that sort of figure from my V6 Jack towing a C/t.
With diesel at 30 to 40% more than unleaded, you indeed have a problem. Seriously though, try a lighter foot,works for me, :))).
Interestingly the difference in your fuel cost & mine is about 22%
even with identical consumption figures. That might trigger another outbreak of the petrol/diesel thing...bring it on.....oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Member - Iceman (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:34

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:34
Oldbaz what can I say!!! I like your sense of humour. Your comments on Unleaded v Diesel is right. I bought the diesel for longevity mainly and I had heard so many good things about them. I can live with the fuel consumption but it is interesting to get the opinions of others and see what they get. I don't think I am a lead foot but I will be conscious of it for a while to see if it makes any difference.

Iceman
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Follow Up By: Member - Iceman (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:42

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:42
Sorry Oldbaz, just realised I wrote the wrong comment on your post about the humour oops.

Iceman
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:40

Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:40
Hey Iceman, you are a cruel bugger...here I was thinking I'd said something funny & you shoot me down. I asked my old Jack &
it said folks with diesels that give poor economy get a bit edgy,
& that I should forgive you...so I have...:))))....oldbaz.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 19:35

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 19:35
What you actually need is at least 3 more Hiclones and that will fix it.
As they claim to save 20% on fuel usage 5 should see you never have to fill the tank.
ROFL

The only thing they do is empty your wallet faster than the fuel tank.
Do a search on here there was a big thread a while ago with al ot more against than for
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Follow Up By: Member - Iceman (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:40

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:40
Graham H, It was your sense of humour I like wrote the wrong comment of Oldbaz's post. I will have a look at the hiclones on the forum.

Thanks,

Iceman
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 20:00

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 20:00
In this months edition of a national 4WD magazine, there was a comparason done between 5 different makes and to cut a long story short the new Patrol (3.0) fuel econmy on the comprehensive test was quoted at 14.8l/100ks.
My father bought a new patrol 6 months ago and got similar figures to what you are getting and was dissapointed becuase the '00 model he had prevoisly regularly returned 11's.
He figured that 'cos it's new, it's still tight and may "come good"

Shane
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Follow Up By: Member - Iceman (VIC) - Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:49

Thursday, Dec 04, 2008 at 21:49
That's interesting Shane that the figure stated was the same as what I am averaging. I will get a copy of the mag to have a read.

The comment on the motor being tight is what mates have said to me at work, that it takes up to 50,000 or so for the motor to loosen up. I won't be trading it in as it is a great vehicle. Heading off to the Alice August / September next year so I just want to get a feel for the consumption and how it compares now.

Thanks Iceman
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Reply By: westozal - Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 12:12

Friday, Dec 05, 2008 at 12:12
Hi,
2004 man ST Patrol 285/16 mudders returns about 10.5 ltr per 100 km driven fairly sedately around town.

regards Alan.
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