changing Winch Rope

Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:20
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Hi, 3 months ago i bought a bull bar and 9000 kg winch from ARB.

Since then ive seen a LOT of ppl getting around with blue rope instead of steel rope. Ive never used my winch so i dont know how long my steel rope is.
Am i better off to go get this new blue rope? can i get more length on the winch using blue rope? Im assuming that the blue stuff is up to the job otherwise ppl wouldnt be using it...

The benefits i imagine would be no heavy cable to drag around,clean hands,longer length pulling ability...

Any advice please??? does ARB stock the new cable ?

Cheers..Rod
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:48

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:48
Less weight , can fit more on winch , floats , is easy to clean ,
COST is/can be prohibitive , sourced mine from the USA at www.cseoffroad.com . lots lots cheaper than same from arb/tjm ect.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:48

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 09:48
"Dynema"....etc.
Great stuff Rod.
Light, easy to handle, you could possibly fit on another 20%.
Hope you have plenty of $$$s left, ,cos it costs big time.
Shop around. I bought my last bit from Nobles in Adelaide. different brand, about 20% cheaper than the 4x4 shops.
I carry a 50m extension rope in this stuff too. Better than straps because it will gothrough snatch blocks.
Cover it to keep the sun, sand and irt out.

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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 11:59

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 11:59
I got mine (green stuff) from www.okoffroad.com in the USA. You'll need to change your fairlead over to an aluminium hawse instead of rollers.

I got 8mm stuff, but wish I'd gone for 10mm thickness.

All the serious comp blokes use this stuff....much safer all round.

Don't get too hung up on how much length you want. Remember, your winch works less efficiently the larger the diameter the cable on drum is. Most of the time you'll only have to haul yourself (or other car) a few meters to get over an obstacle etc, so you are actually better off having the bulk of the cable wound out so you get better mechanical efficiency from the winch itself. It's easy enough to carry a separate winch extension strap for those occasions when you do need extra length due to the distance from the nearest anchor point etc.

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: ob - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:32

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:32
G'day Roachie

Can you tell me why the roller fairhead wont work with the Kevlar or whatever it's made of rope?

Thanks ob
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:39

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:39
Not real sure why....could be something to do with the jagged edges/ridges that tend to occur on the steel rollers.

I also have an idea that it is possible to replace the steel rollers with some type of plastic or aluminium roller that allevaites the problems too.
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Follow Up By: ob - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:45

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:45
Ta for that mate, I wonder if it' got anything to do with the less friction with aluminium hence the use of ally as a bearing material??

Cheers ob
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:48

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:48
sounds like a load o' hawse sh$t to me...................................

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Follow Up By: ob - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:50

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 12:50
Cheeky sod ;-)))))
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 19:19

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 19:19
The reason for the use of a hawse is that the fairlead rollers can pinch the rope and cut it if they are worn or have a lot of movement. The hawse stops that happening. That said, if your rollers are in good nick with no slop or movement then just use them. I still use my rollers rather than a hawse, and have upgraded to nylon rollers, actually recommended by the seller feller for Dyneema, The nice Mr Roger Smith.

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Reply By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 13:26

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 13:26
Rod,

- I replaced my wire cable with gel spun rope because :

- It does not have bits of wire sticking out of it, so I don't have to use gloves.

- It has no stretch, so if it breaks, it does not whip back and decapitate some onlooker like wire cable will.

- It's a much lighter load on the front suspension.

I purchased a long extension rope of the same stuff. It takes up less room, but is much longer than a winch extension strap and will run through a snatch block.

Bloody wonderful stuff. Makes great fishing line too.

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Follow Up By: rredbeak - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 21:01

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 21:01
Hi Willie,whats Gel Spun ?? Rod
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Reply By: rredbeak - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 14:24

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 14:24
TY for the Responses,ive learnt alot today.

Ill keep a reasonable length of it INSIDE the car for long recoveries ,and, just replace the winch cable with 10 mm .

never thought of a second "long recovery" stored inside the car before,Cheers and TY to All.. Rod
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Reply By: Crackles - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 17:26

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 17:26
Rod you've been given the positive points but it does have a couple of down sides being far more likely to be cut or abraded when dragged around trees or over rocks. Precautions needs to be taken when winching others or double blocking as the cable moves over sharp objects. Most synthetic ropes come with an outer sleeve or use the floor mats to protect it. They also need to be kept out of the sunlight.
For ease of handling these new ropes are excellent but they do have a far shorter life & are expensive. If you don't use your winch very much I'd save your money for some other assesory. Steel cables have worked well for many years and are far more durable.
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 19:19

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 19:19
There are always opposite opinions :-))

I have damaged wire rope by not having it spool properly and crushing a lower layer. I now use synthetic and would never go back. I have also never actually seen or heard of a synthetic rope that has been degraded by sunlight. I do agree that you have to be aware of it being cut or frayed by sharp objects, I hook onto a snig chain when going around rocks etc.
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Reply By: rredbeak - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 19:50

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 19:50
yes i assumed they would be easily damaged if mistreated,ill still go ahead and buy but carry it in the car and use it as an extension to my wire rope if need be. I carry plenty of carpet bits so they can be used for supports...

i hope i never need use my winch,but ive also been in places where trees are few and far between,so an extension is erring on safety,weighs little,takes little room in the car.

With the existing wire rope on the winch,should i unroll it fully and rewind it on the drum under slight pressure,as this was not done at arb when they fitted it...Rod
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 20:41

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 20:41
Yes, and make sure that it has been securely attached to the drum ! Wire rope needs to be laid up neatly but the synthetic rope should be cross laid on the drum.
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Reply By: time waster - Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 20:42

Tuesday, Dec 09, 2008 at 20:42
What sort of money are we looking at?

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