Any Honda Generator Experts out there
Submitted: Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:50
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Zapper
Hi All I have a honda EX 650 generator that is putting out over 340 volts, I didnt know what was happening until some appliances didnt like it then I put a tester on it and saw what was happening.
Has been into a workshop and the sparky says it is the Transistorised Voltage regulator that is causing problem. So I rang Honda to get the part and the guy reckons he cant find any such part in their books or on exploded diagrams. I have now taken it to another electrician who hasnt got back to me yet but he reckoned they dont have an AVR only a capacitator.
So has anyone had experience with this that can tell me which it has?
Reply By: Ron173 - Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 13:39
Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 13:39
I would say you need a honda small engine dealer, for certain dont run any gear on it at moment.
I would expect it to have an AVR, which would be my guess it has failed.
It is unlikely to be controlled on a capacitance circuit.
If stuck I can give you a phone number of someone who will know, but dependent on where you are he could prob only supply you a part, then you'd need someone with experience to fit it. (I'm northern nsw)
Ron
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 15:53
Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 15:53
Hi Zapper,
I've got to agree with Ron, there'll be some form of AVR in there.
I really doubt if a capacitor alone will cut it for excitation control.
Adjusting the speed of something as simple as the EX Honda or one of the Bunnings GMC's for that matter will influence the voltage but will have a greater impact on the frequency.
Those machines need to be doing 3,000rpm to produce 50Hz, dropping the speed by say 600rpm will drop the frequency by about 10Hz which can have an impact on things like electric motors.
As has been stated in posts above, you really need the input of your local Honda small engine specialist or even a good electric fitter rather than the electrical mechanic that does regular house wiring.
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Zapper - Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 15:59
Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 15:59
Thanks Geoff
Its at the electrical repair place that honda recommended to me, honda themselves (the honda
shop in Midland) didnt want anything to do with it. The original mob that looked at it said they could repair it if I could get the AVR but the IQ challenged people at the honda joint couldnt find the part listed anywhere.
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 18:25
Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 18:25
I'm an electro klutz so I'll stay off the technotalk - re ..... '(the Honda
shop in Midland) didnt want anything to do with it.' - wonderful - consumers note !
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 19:08
Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 19:08
Hi Zapper,
Sounds like you are
well on the way to a great answer.
Geoff
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Reply By: Ron173 - Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 20:12
Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 20:12
Hey Zapper,
let me get this straight..............
Its a Honda generator, and the Honda dealer doesnt want anything to do with it??
You are fronting up with a faulty product which he is supposed to cover, and incidentally make his income from, he stands to make a profit selling you parts and fitting them, and he refuses to do so???????
Mate something is not adding up here?
You sure its a genuine Honda?
Dont mean to doubt you but just cant get head around why a dealer would refuse to help you and also earn a crust??
very strange
Rgds
Ron
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Follow Up By: Zapper - Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 22:34
Thursday, Dec 11, 2008 at 22:34
Yep Ron thats right, if its engine related they will look at it but electric they refer it all on the 3rd party
def a genuine Honda, EX650
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Follow Up By: Member - Pesty (SA) - Friday, Dec 12, 2008 at 18:53
Friday, Dec 12, 2008 at 18:53
Have just bought my inlaws ever reliable Honda EX 650 as they have upgraded to a EU2 after many years, and thousands of hrs of steady and quiet service.
Great little genny to run my charger when needed.
Funny how its 1 kg heavier than the new EU2 LOL
Hope you get it sorted zapper.
Cheers Pesty
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Friday, Dec 12, 2008 at 21:58
Friday, Dec 12, 2008 at 21:58
Hi
"Yep Ron thats right, if its engine related they will look at it but electric they refer it all on the 3rd party
def a genuine Honda, EX650"
THIS could be interesting , but 1st while not familiar with Honda ex650 I think the ist lecy is near the mark. it will have some form of voltage regulator. [Very old model hondas had a voltmeter & voltage control rheostat,you set the speed correct then adjusted rheo to get 240v ]
THE PLACE YOU RANG ,DO THEY SELL GENNYS OR ONLY BIKES& CARS?? THEY MAY NOT HAVE A CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Try finding HONDA service work shops in"Generators " in yellow pages [several in Brissy]
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Follow Up By: Ron173 - Friday, Dec 12, 2008 at 22:26
Friday, Dec 12, 2008 at 22:26
Oldtrack,
g'day mate,
my local place is a bit of a honda mecca, great place, very friendly, and matched the best deal I could get on the net, when I bought my Honda genny.
so yes they do sell gennies and heaps of em from small eu10's up to the big motorhome jobs, but guess he (zapper) really needs a local bloke.
I cant fault my local dealer, I was all for buying online to make a saving, but he matched it, and is on my doorstep for service, and he certainly gives that so cant fault him really.
Theres a lot to be said for buying local.... no matter where you are... always pays to support your local bloke... cos he will support you if you ever need it.
hoo roo
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Reply By: zigglemeister - Friday, Dec 12, 2008 at 23:52
Friday, Dec 12, 2008 at 23:52
Hi Zapper,
I had a similar problem some years ago with my Honda EM1000F generator. In my case the problem turned out to be due to an air leak at either the inlet or exhaust manifold, I forget which. Apparently this can prevent
the governor from operating correctly. Does the engine sound like its surging a bit, or like it's running faster than it used to?
Have a look at thread 35218 - that's where some people on exploroz got me out of trouble!
Hope this helps,
Tim
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