ELECTRIC BRAKE VOLTAGE NOT ZERO

Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 11:47
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Hi folks, having fitted a new 7 socket device to the 4by ( in which to plug in the 7 pin plug from the van)I thought I'd check the voltage drop. Quite a surprise when the electric brake controller is off but the reading is 0.17 volts!! My battery is 12.52 at the terminals and it's still 12.52 at the socket across the aux and earth. The brakes get to 12.07 when the slide control on the Hayman Reese box under the dash is fully on. I'm not worried about losing half a volt as it can still lock up the brakes. But I would hope that the brakes would be off and not rubbing and so causing unnecessary wear and extra fuel consumption. I will go out and move car near van to check current flow. Back in a while - Warrie
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Reply By: kev.h - Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:05

Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:05
Doubt 0.17 volts is enough to to create a magnetic field to pull the brakes on was that at the socket or with the brakes in the circuit
My guess is maybe you are picking up eddie current from the other wires running in parrallel. Is everything else turned off
if it is eddies you can dissconnect the brake controller from the power source (maybe a fuse?) then measure it again if its still there thats what you've got
Cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 17:44

Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 17:44
I believe you need AC to get an Eddie to flow.
I have a Prodity brake controller and with the camper plugged in a "C" appears on the controller, so a small voltage is applied to the brake circuit to check for continuity. If the plug is disconnect "NC" is displayed for 15 seconds.
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Follow Up By: Member - Garth J (NSW) - Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 21:17

Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 21:17
If you are talking about induced voltages yes you need ac voltages

If you are talking eddie currents(meaning circulating) you will get these in dc circuits where you have different voltages. The current flows from the high voltage to the low voltage.

Much the same as wind. High pressure to low pressure.

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Follow Up By: Member - 1/2A - Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 21:59

Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 21:59
Measuring the voltage at a 7 pin plug which would be disconnect thus no flow how is ever possible to induce a voltage in the parallel wires.
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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 13:59

Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 13:59
Where are you measuring it from ? The chassis ?
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (S.A) The O - Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 16:12

Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 16:12
You may find the .17 volts is a check voltage to make sure a trailer is connected.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 17:53

Tuesday, Dec 23, 2008 at 17:53
0.17 volt measured when the Trailer is not connected is nothing to worry about.

It may be a narrow pulse that the Multimeter is responding to dispropotionately.
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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008 at 00:29

Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008 at 00:29
I have just spent the better part of 2 1/2 hours tonight trying to track down a fault with my brake controller. Tested all the connections, pulled the trailer plug apart, cleaned it all and scared a couple of small spiders. Took the plug on the car apart and blew out tonnes of dust, and still no joy.

In desperation started following the wiring back under the van. Child # 2 was sitting in the car and in between re-tuning all my radio stations put her foot on the brake at my command (or plea).

I finally worked out the problem was a corroded connection on the earth wire returning from the brake to the earth wire on the plug.

It appears that the Prodigy brake controllers emit a low voltage current through the brake, which is returned via the earth wire to the unit and when this circuit is completed, the brake unit is active. If the circuit is not complete the unit is turned off.

Of course, the problem has been there since the last time I used the van. Nothing like planning ahead as we leave on Christmas day!
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Reply By: Member - Glenn H (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008 at 21:06

Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008 at 21:06
A while turned out longer than I thought. Found the instruction bit of paper which says that a normal voltmeter may not give accurate readings. Then the red wire on the jaycar multimeter detached itself from the nice pointy probe. I've only had it a few weeks!! Eventually hooked up meter as an ammeter which read 0.34A at 12volts when brakes are being operated at full bore. That's only 4 watts of power which doesn't seem to be enough to light a tail light but maybe is enough to make the magnet grab. Oh well, cheers to all and safe travelling if you are exploring Oz.
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn H (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008 at 21:28

Wednesday, Dec 24, 2008 at 21:28
Posts 27870 and 48405 also cover this topic and if you want to waste an hour just Google "electric brake controllers voltages".
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