Another One bite the dust or should I say the bitumen

Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 14:09
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Today whilst travelling along Sandgate Road I came across a familiar site that has happened to me on 2 previous occasions. Yep another victim of the rear wheel falling off. Yep alloy rims again. Yep Left hand rear wheel again. Flogged out rim and all 6 studs twisted and stuffed. Poor bloke. The wheel hit a bus stop sign before veering into a car that was following and damaged it as well. Lucky for him I had some spare studs and nuts just at our house just around the corner so I got these and replaced them for him. I know what it is like to be stranded on the side of the road with the same problem only his was a simple fix where ours was a 2 day affair sourcing spare parts. This is why on any trip to far from home I always pack spare studs and nuts. My advise to Patrol owners is regularly check your nuts to ensure they are tight but do not over tighten them. Whilst on our trip around Australia recently I had 2 studs on the front wheels snap off and I put this down to the use of rattle guns on the last service. I needed a 600mm bar fitted to the spanner to get the things off.

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 14:17

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 14:17
Cant you feel the wheel wobbling aroung before it falls off? Michael
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Follow Up By: redeye141 - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 15:40

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 15:40
Michael,

Answer is no. With the alloy rims they do not wobble. Had it happen to me last year. Luck was I slowed down from 100 + to 20Km for some lights.

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Follow Up By: Goona - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 21:38

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 21:38
Michael,

With mine I was on a dirt road and thought I felt something but checked all wheels and everything looked in order so kept going and when we got onto the bitumen I felt it again and started to pull over but it was to late and the wheel separated. 4 of the 6 studs had actually sheared off completely. It all happened pretty quickly

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 22:05

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 22:05
When the rear passenger side alloy fell off the 100series i was driving the car was wavering on the road then bang. Thats all the notice you get. maybe 300m of something awry that you cant work out what it is.
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 14:20

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 14:20
Hi Goona

Good on you for helping the bloke, I imagine it would have been
a bit stressful for him, when he lost his wheel, and your help eased
that a bit.

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Follow Up By: Member - Footloose - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 14:52

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 14:52
I'll echo that. If only we could all give a hand where possible to others, this world might be just a tad better place. Well done !
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Reply By: SPRINT-GTO - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 15:03

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 15:03
Good on you mate , good deeds never go astray.
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Reply By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 15:30

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 15:30
Hi Goona

Amazing isn't it that Nissan has only told dealers that they must use a torque wrench on Patrol wheels and has not reminded owners.

Same thing happened to me a while back now (check archives) and despite some serious prodding there was no response from Nissan.

Someone is going to be seriously hurt. I was doing 100km/hr on the Westgate Freeway in Melbourne and thankfully the wheel didn't hit anyone. It wasn't rush hour.

It is in the manual in bold print - use 98ftlb and check after doing 1,000km when wheels have been changed.

Spread the word to all patrol owners with 16" alloys.

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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 16:44

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 16:44
Peter,
Are they Nissan Alloys or aftermarket Alloys that have the trouble, As I have Nissan Alloys which get rotated every 5-6oooK since 2002 and have had no trouble (touch wood).
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Follow Up By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 16:50

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 16:50
Peter

From all the cases that I was able to collect it was the Nissan 16" alloys used on the 2002 - 2005 models before the change to 17" alloys.

As i mentione dabove - use a torque wrench every time. I now use aftermarket steel wheels for offroad trips.

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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 17:06

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 17:06
Yeah,Thanks mine is right in that category,I'll keep an eye on it.
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Follow Up By: Goona - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 21:48

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 21:48
Mine were aftermarket alloys ROH but I beleive the latest Nissan ones have a steel insert in them in lieu of just alloy

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Reply By: Dave B (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 17:04

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 17:04
I have asked this question before and haven't had a reply, but why does it seem that most of the wheels that go walkabout are the left hand rear?

Is there a problem with the surfaces of the wheel and particularly the axle on that side not being true?

If it is purely a torque problem, why doesn't it occur just as frequently with all corners of the vehicle, not mainly LHR.

I am no engineer or even a mechanic, but I have driven lots of K's in Patrols of that era and never had a problem fortunately.

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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 18:34

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 18:34
I think you will find that it's got to do with the rotation of the wheel, old Valiants used to have left hand thread for this reason.
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Follow Up By: TassieD - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 20:49

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 20:49
It's also the wheel that cops the most from the edges of the road and the camber as most roads slant down from the middle to get rid of water.
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Follow Up By: Middle Jeff - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 20:57

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 20:57
Hi Dave

One reason is the left hand side always gets a harder life, the edge of the road is usually rougher, but mainly because we are harder on the left wheels in corners, we go around roundabouts and right hand corners a lot faster than left hand corners. Under normal driving conditions your front left shock should die first.

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Reply By: Member - Dunworkin (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 18:41

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 18:41
Hi Goona, Well done helping out like you did.

I don't know if it has been mentioned on here before but over here on Christmas day there was a car towing a boat down the Freeway when one of the wheels came off of the trailer, according to the paper it flew over the over head electric wires for the trains and over to the other side of the freeway landing on the windscreen of a car going in the opposite direction. Unfortunately the lady in the car died in hospital a few days later, a tragic result which could happen in any of these cases where the wheels are coming off of the Patrols.

We have a '99 Patrol and haven't had a problem yet (touch wood) but previous replies here indicate that the problem is with later models, is this correct and does it mean that the '99 models are OK?

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Follow Up By: Goona - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 22:07

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 22:07
Hi Dunworkin,

Very tragic with regards to the woman who was an innocent bystander and the same thing could have happened today if anyone was standing in beside the bus stop waiting.

My take on the issue is it occurs when the nuts are tightened by a rattle gun and this in turn stretches/elongates the thread of the stud. This in turn loosens the "match" between the stud thread and the nut thread ever so slightly but enough to start some movement. With the alloys I think the metal expands and contracts more than steel and this then creates more movement which then starts to flog out the holes little by little and then the nuts become looser and looser and bang it all lets go.

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Reply By: dedabato (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 20:46

Tuesday, Jan 06, 2009 at 20:46
Hello Goona,
Well done mate and be sure that " What goes around - comes a round " Good on ya !!!!!!
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