4WD Of The Year.

Submitted: Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:46
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See the NRMA named the Land Rover Discovery the 4wd of the year,after it won in 06,07,08,and at the end of the article it said if there`s ever an Australia Best Cars hall of frame, the Land Rover Discovery will surely be its first inductee,you would have to be dreaming.
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Reply By: Rosco - Qld - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:52

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:52
I don't own own one, but am interested in why you have this point of view? Is it based on fact, or merely your opinion.

Cheers
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Reply By: WayneD - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:59

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 08:59
I find this really strange. I have owned a number of 4WD's and now own a Discovery 3. I have done more hard 4WDing ib the D3 than any of my previous vehicles and it has not let me down once.
It went from showroom to the GRR and performed brilliantly and driven from Broome to Sydney in 5 days and proved very comfortable.

I also have a friend who was amember of another 4WD club who accompanied me on a week long trip to Moreton Island and he said it was the best 4Wd he had been in.

Would I buy another one, Certainly
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:06

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:06
Also got the same award from the RACV.

Given that RACV/NRMA keep detailed records of service call outs they get for each type of vehicle, one could reasonably assume that reliability is not an issue.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 10:56

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 10:56
And the RAA is SA...... maybe they all use the same data to formulate the winners....
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 15:43

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 15:43
Reliability was not a criteria used in judging that award.
Details here and how all the 4wds scored:
http://www.australiasbestcars.com.au/2008/2008_4wd.pdf
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Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:10

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:10
There are a lot of issues in what people say about other 4WDs, like if you own a particular brand, then nothing else is any good, because if you admit that it is then it means you may have been wrong in your choice of vehicle!!
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Follow Up By: Notso - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:11

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:11
Me, well I've owned 8 different vehicles in my life and they have all been different brands.
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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY-(MURRAY)(Vic) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:31

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:31
Gday
On the news this morning, 4x4 Australia said that it was a Pajero
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Follow Up By: WayneD - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:49

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:49
4x4 Mag only compares vehicles that are new or have been substantially changed. There were only 6 vehicles tested this year.
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Follow Up By: Dave Thomson - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:24

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:24
Thats what I heard too ............?
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Reply By: Kroozer - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:51

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:51
I dont listen to any of the 4wd or car of the year crap, a bunch of sissy's who probably have never been out bush could of compiled the votes, best ''City'' 4wd probably. Not sure if you would easily source parts for a Landrover Discovery in the Outback.
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:10

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:10
Can you source`parts for the lastest 200 series outback - not likely you would also have to wait for them to be shipped in.
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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer Tours - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 15:00

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 15:00
garrycol YES you can, in fact we had some parts shipped over night to Jabiru, we also had a brand new V8 TD long motor shipped to jabiru in 72 hours, from Perth.

Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:02

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:02
G/day Steve, That V8 Toyo motor shipped in from Perth? was that to replace a blown up one, or repower something else?

Just curious,....lol.

Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer Tours - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:17

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:17
It was to replace a cooked one from Parks, it had done 7348 kms, the job cost $25000, there was a long motor and turbo, It took 4.5 hours to get to the starter motor with the engine on the ground, to replace one would probably be a 7 hour job.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:30

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:30
What you would call a pain in the ......job eh!!!, Big Bucks!.



Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Smudger - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:58

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 09:58
The differences between the top 3 or 4 4WD's of the Year is pretty minimal. Probably the Disco had an extra coffe cup holder or an extra grommet somewhere.
Disco's are very capable off-road , so are LC's and Patrols.
But consider this ..Landrover market their Defender as the ultimate off-road animal ..yet why isn't it included in the draft for 4WD of the Year?
It's because the Defender is All animal, with no urban niceties.
4WD of the Year is a contest between popular city slicker off-road limo's. If it was only about off-road ability the winners could easily be things like Mahindras, Jimnys and Nivas.
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:58

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:58
You had me until Niva :-)
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:34

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:34
Question for Offtrack.
Have you ever driven a Niva?? Onroad?, Offroad??,

Ok they were as rough as guts, absolutely crap panel fit, even worse than the old Series Landrover, and that's saying something. weird offset driving position and s'house ergonomics (everything was in the wrong place etc.

BUT

In their day and with standard trim, except with wider tyres, they were as good as if not better than most other standard trim 4wd's in severe off road work.

Anything that can travel anywhere on what passes as roads or tracks in the old Soviet union CANNOT be an inadequate off road unit.

Disco,
(who ran one as a beach fishing runabout for 4 years, then changed to a Series Landrover to do the same job.)
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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 21:39

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 21:39
You forgot they leaked oil so badly that it also came with its own rustproofing
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 23:34

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 23:34
Yes I have.
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 10:01

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 10:01
Well this topic is going to go on for year after year!, no matter what 4x4 wins what!. All i can say and i think most would have to agree the D3 Landrover is proving to be a lot more reliable than some of the previous models,end of story.


Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 10:21

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 10:21
I went away last year with a couple who had a D3, and its very impressive - that adjustable suspension turned a low slung city 4wd into a rockclimber in no time, and it took steep slippery slopes in its stride.

It must have ticked the right boxes for the NRMA. I don't mind that. They are not the same boxes as I choose - lets face it, a 79series ute will never wind a 4wd award, even though they are in huge demand.

But if the boxes included a payload of up to 1700kgs, a motor with a 10 year history of reliability, common parts availability in remote areas, and a wide choice of heavy duty tyres, then maybe the japanese 4wds would get a look-in.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 10:58

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 10:58
Very well spoken Phil....... totally agree.....

Cheers mate

Roachie
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Follow Up By: mfewster - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:52

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:52
There was a D3 in our group when we did a Simpson crossing last year. Every time we hit corrugations at any sort of speed (I think it was 40kmh, not really quick;) the height automatically lowered. This was a barrel of laughs every time he tried to gun it to get some speed up to go over a sand dune and the thing turned into a plough. He was going to see if the computer controls could be reset when he returned south. Never found out whether or not he was finally able to do this. Apart from that (almost terminal problem) it seemed to go very well.
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Reply By: Kroozer - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:46

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:46
Correct. Toyota or Nissan hands down for me.
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Follow Up By: Pat Malone - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 14:28

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 14:28
so youve test driven every other 4wd on the market to form this opinion

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Follow Up By: Kroozer - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:57

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:57
Pretty much. Also get to see which are the most common vehicles that cant withstand the Kimberley and all its beauty. Toyota's and Nissans seem to only come into grief because of driver error up here. Im a Tojo man, 1HZ was the best engine ever made.

Im talking about using a 4 wheel drive for what its been made to do, not for running down the shop to get milk or take the kids to school. These days though the only real 4wd still being made would be the 76 series Tojos. Tough, huge payload, unbreakable, huge power, huge torque, capable of tackling the hardest tracks, easy to source parts, large range of ready made accesories, what more is there to say.
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Follow Up By: Pat Malone - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 20:07

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 20:07
so

answer this

how far

when

and were did you drive the disco

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Reply By: The Landy - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 14:40

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 14:40
I think it is inevitable that it will always be that class of vehicle that will win these awards simply due to the judging criteria and it is important to understand exactly what they are being judged against and a link follows to take you to it. Judging Criteria

Whilst I am clearly a Land Rover tragic and pleased to see the ‘Breed’ win this type of award it doesn’t mean that it is the four-wheel drive that would meet the criteria many in here would set down as key determinants for buying a four-wheel drive for the type of ‘work-out’ many of us give our vehicles. For that you'd need a Defender (just joking - buy what suits your needs!)
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 14:41

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 14:41
Bad link....

Judging Criteria
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Reply By: donks1 - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 15:59

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 15:59
Hi there


Not wanting to hijack your thread, but the new NT Pajero has been awarded car of the year by 4x4 Australia magazine


donks1
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:11

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:11
Looks like its new engine might be a winner to donks.
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Reply By: Member - Tony B (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:24

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:24
I wonder - 5 different 4 x 4 of the year comparisons by different mags etc - you may get 5 different winners.
Whats best for you at the time is the winner. I have had a lot of different 4Bs, loved them all except for an Old Hilux ute with the small 4cyl Diesel - That was a lemmon. Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Mark Taylor - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:20

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:20
Well.. if you're surprised that the D3 won.. then go drive one and judge for yourself.

Just over 2 years ago I was shoppiing for a new 4Wd.. and I drove Jeeps/Pajeros/Tojos/Patrols.. and finally a D3 to literally cross it off the list. I really wasn't interested!

However.. once I drove it I was hooked.

Two years and 46K later it has only had one problem.. the rear door lock failed!

Whenever I go out with my mayes in their Cruisers.. they are simply amazed at how effortlessly it climbs in off road condiitons.

And... when you're bak on the road, it lowers itself down and drives beautifully on the black top going home!

Yes it will lower down from off road height if you travel over 40 KMH and this design feature is probably realted to a manufacturer being worried about litigation in a roll over.

But apart from that (and you can defeat the system) it really is a joy to drive.

As far as Defenders go, I sort of love them but really believe that in 2009 all vehicles should have to be equipped with basic airbags etc for be allowed on the road!

Cheers

Mark T
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:45

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:45
Mark,
You should have also mentioned that the superdooper, ab fab, totally awesome Toyota V8 TD's in commercial form, ie; utes and panelvan/station wagon thingies do not come with airbags etc either.

Doesn't seem to made any difference to those who think the sun shines out of Toyota exhaust systems.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: Mark Taylor - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:06

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:06
Well.. I wasn't brave enough to mention this on this forum.

I'll tell you a funny thing though... was talking to a mate of mine with a Tojo 75 diesel. Lost the drain screw for the fuel water trap in Toowoomba.. and not one Tojo dealer had one.

Effectively the car was off the road.

He "conjured up" a temp replacement and was on his way to melbourne. Not one dealer along the way had one. Eventually he used the Yellow pages on line... rang a Dealer in Melbourne and they got one from Toyota for him to be waiting when he got there.

All cars can have parts supply problems.. I spent 27 years in the motor trade and know this all too well.

Cheers

Mark T
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Follow Up By: Smudger - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:50

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:50
Took our Disco 1 up to the centre via the Flinders Ranges a couple of years ago and needed an air filter. Not one Landrover spare parts dealer in Jamestown, or near district. I called in to a number of 4WD dealers and they all looked at me like I was an alien .." no-one drives Landrovers up here mate."
Also, when we were in Darwin 5 years ago the only Landrover dealer in town was relinquishing the franchise, and at that stage there were no newcomers on the horizon.
That, amongst other reasons, is why I moved to an 80 series after a Range Rover and 2 Disco I's.
I have to say though, that for serious off-roading, my favorite to date was the Range Rover. Nothing stopped it, a hellava forbie.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:54

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:54
Mark, how do you defeat the system? I have a friend with a D3 who needs to know. Not knocking the D3, it drove really on a recent Simpson crossing. Well, apart from its habit of unexpectedly dropping to highway height over 40kmh which turned it into a plow at the wrong time when running up sand dunes. Also was a problem on some steeply rutted tracks where it would suddenly lower and obligingly smooth out the centres for those behind.
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Follow Up By: Mark Taylor - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 20:28

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 20:28
Check out the D3 forum.

The suspension only lowers when you exceed the 40 kmh. The corrogations won't upset it!

The plastic "rods" that are connected to the height sensors can be shortened to fool the system. This increases ride height all around.

Check out disco3.co.uk

My only criticism of the Tojo 200 is the poor dust sealing... was travelling in one north west of Winton last Juy.

Cheers

Mark T

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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 22:44

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 22:44
Hi Mark,

Poor dust sealing is nearly always the result of the rubber bung not being put back properly when the trailer wiring is installed. And if the aircon is not run in "fresh" to pressurise the cabin, then you will have problems (as will any vehicle).

I have not had any issue with dust in my 200, but then again I made sure the bung was put back in place and always run the aircon in fresh (it defaults to re-circulate if the ambient outside temp is hotter than inside the cabin!).

Cheers

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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:47

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:47
Gee!! I nerver thought the NRMA could be paid off!! :) Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:24

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:24
Hahaha !, Mike it does make you think like that at times!, especially as the latest falcon got best large car award, like their sales are down by 20%,.


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Follow Up By: Off-track - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 23:43

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 23:43
just shows that behind all the advertising hype the Commode isnt as great as it's made out to be.

...but that's for another thread, in another forum. ;-)
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Reply By: blue one - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:18

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:18
Well done Bat 30
Great fishing.

LOL

Steve
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Reply By: SPRINT-GTO - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 15:25

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 15:25
Whats the towing capacity of the Disco 3 compared against the
T/D Cruiser or Patrol??
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Follow Up By: dizzy - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:54

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:54
In the U.K. the tow weight was 4 tonne for the series 2 and 3 and I think it still is.
Over here it was reduced to 3.5 tonne to keep the ADR happy.
The Toy and Nissan have the same tow rate.

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