Replacing my V8 LC100 with a LC200 or LR D3.

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I am close to replacing my 2006 V8 LC100. I want to go back to a TD as the V8 has proven very thirsty when off road thereby limiting range.

My wife has said no to a Prado D4D as it has less room than our LC100. I would like a TD LC200 but I would be looking at a large change over price after trade in.

There have been a lot of positive reports on the Landrover D3 so I would consider buying one. Would this vehicle have as much room as an LC100? Would there be more room than a Prado?

If I got one I would fit the usual touring gear such as LR fuel tank, rear wheel carrier, OME suspension,, bulbar and better tyres.

Any feed back would be appreciated.

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Reply By: David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Alongs - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:19

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:19
Go try the D3. Quite roomy and the floor folds flat, a big plus. For my money I would choose the D3 but then for my money I'd more likely only be able to afford the badge. :-)
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:21

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:21
Easiest way is to get a brochure on them and compare specs or go to the website the specs are usually on there.
An ARB catalogue will give you what is available from them for each model
Just as an aside recently a friend of mine was offered $28,000 for his standard 2006 V8 as a trade on a 200 GXL or Sahara
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Follow Up By: Topend - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:37

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 11:37
I have been offered $36000 for mine with 47000km. This is in a town that asks $60000 for a TD LC100 with double the kms.

Looking in red book they are valued at about $30000.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 12:04

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 12:04
Thats pretty good.
Ive had my 2005 100TD since Dec 2006 cost me $57,000 with 58,000km on it.
They seem to hold their price pretty good.
Have seen Sahara 200's for $96,000 recently
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Follow Up By: Saharaman (aka Geepeem) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:47

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:47
Private sale prices are well below $96K now. There are currently 3 TD LC200 Saharas at dealers for under $90K and three weeks ago there was a private sale one listed on carpoint for $83,000 negotiable.(with low Kms but cant remember how many)
It is only a matter of time before they fall under $80k the way the second hand vehicle market is going.
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy (Bororen) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 12:54

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 12:54
You could always trade in on a late 100 T/D if you are happy with the vehicle itself just not the motor
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Follow Up By: Topend - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 13:06

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 13:06
Did look at that. They are asking too much money for vehicles that have 100000km.

If I found one up here with less than 50000km for around $50000 I would buy it.

If I'm going to spend $60000 I may as well spend the extra and get a new vehicle.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 13:30

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 13:30
Hi Topend

Don't know your needs but if you are considering things like D3 and Prado it might be worth checking out the Pajero's.

They recently had a major diesel engine upgrade and have won 4X4's 4wd of the year , and you would have a hell of a lot of cash to buy accesories with.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 14:03

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 14:03
How many passengers are you likely to carry ?

Get into the drivers seat and adjust for a comfortable long drive position, now hop in the back and see if your knees are tucked under your chin. Could you sit in the back seat for a long haul ?How much room is there in the back for baggage ? This might sort out which vehicle straight away without even thinking about service & reliability.
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Reply By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 15:45

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 15:45
Have a look in the tading post. 200LC $54 with around 40,000km. Olderish folk set up for touring and got sick. If you cant find it give me a holler i might be able .
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Follow Up By: chisel - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:26

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:26
Surely petrol for that price.
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Follow Up By: Topend - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:35

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:35
The LC200 I found is a petrol with 18000km but I reckon it is good value at $54000. Includes reversing camera, VHF radio, sat nav, dual batteries & rear _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx.

I have to resist. I don't want another petrol.
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:55

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:55
Topen
Were currently debating one the same as yours or the TD different in price is a lot of fuel. What extras have you got Km and all that.
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Follow Up By: Topend - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:42

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:42
It is not really the cost of the fuel that is the problem as around town our V8 LC100 uses 17 litres / 100km which is not too bad. It is more about decent range when in remote areas.

Fuel consumption went up to over 30 litres / 100km during our trip to Cape York. This was loaded up and a rooftop tent. Our old TD LC100 in similar conditions used about 12.5 average for a whole trip.

This equates to 375km range for the V8 verses 960km for the TD.
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:28

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:28
Those figures are making us think about our decision a bit more.
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Follow Up By: cookymonster - Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 14:22

Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 14:22
I agree. It's not economy that's the issue most of the time. You have to remember that a lot of times, the petrol motors are more powerful for general driving purposes (not torque).

It is RANGE. I have a Prado v6 and I love the 180lt tank, but I would still like more range sometimes and the D4D offers that.

However I wouldn't go anywhere near a car that is great on fuel but is slow.

You have to try and achieve balance. Occassionally I get into the whole economy thing - thinking I'll get something more economical, maybe a diesel to SAVE me money. BUT then I remember I was close to installing a Supercharger in the Prado for nearly $10,000 and didn't give a stuff about the increased fuel useage at the time - just wanted more power.

Same with my Hilux Sr5 which I still have. It's a 2002 3.4V6 and uses more fuel than my Prado. Mostly to do with Cooper STTs - they seemed to increase my fuel useage from 13-14/100kms to well around 16/17/100kms. Because it's got an 80lt tank approx - the RANGE is crap. So I would die for better economy, but could not handle less power. So if I was still using the Hilux for trips I would get a llong range tank. I used to use Jerries, but they are a pain.
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Follow Up By: Member - Howard (ACT) - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 16:46

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 16:46
why dont you just put a long range tank to the petrol LC100. you suggest you would go this way on the new vehicle.
my fuel guzzling 80 series petrol can still do 1000km when only achieving 25/100.
thats with a 95 litre main tank and a 166 litre secondary.
even with the cost of LT tank and rear wheel carrier its a long way short of the cost of a replacement vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Topend - Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 17:38

Sunday, Jan 11, 2009 at 17:38
Thanks for the suggestion Howard, that is what my wife would like me to do.
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Reply By: Member - Tom V (WA) - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:59

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 16:59
Topend
my business partner about 6 months ago traded his v8 LC100 sahara in on a LC200 TD VX. although it cost him a bit of money, he reckons it the best thing since "sliced bread". tows his c/van around no probs.
when i got my D4D about 18 months ago, I looked @ the D3. great truck, drives great, but @ the time more expensive. if they had a bigger fuel tank(without moving the spare) I would have got it.
u might want to compare the room in the D4D & the LC200, not a big difference.
or u might want to wait until aug or sept 09 when the prado gets replaced. will be the same D4D, but more grunt, like they have done with the new pajero. body shape between kluger & LC200.
good luck Tom
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Reply By: Mark Taylor - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:25

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:25
When it comes to interior room.. the D3 wins hands down.


With all seats folded flat.. it is like a giant panel van inside.

Go have a look at one and ask the dealer to fold all the seats down. You will be surprised.

Then take it for a drive.. if you choose an air suspended model you be even more surprised!

We have a D3 and use it for our business.. and cart stock to the outback in it... It's cavenous!

Good luck with your deliberations.

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Follow Up By: Topend - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:47

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 17:47
Went to look at a D3 today. The dealer had nothing. I tried to look at one 6 months ago and they had nothing then as well. I won't order one without seeing one. I may be in Canberra next month so I will have a look then.
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Reply By: Boobook2 - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:26

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:26
Topend, just over a year ago, I had a short list of a D3 and the 200. Having had a LR before I was still nervous about the reliability issues.

I went down to ULR in Malvern and looked over the new Disco. I asked about the reliability and the sales guy confidently said that all the reliability issues had been fixed in the Disco 3. Just as he finished saying this, a flat bed tow truck pulled up outside the dealer with a D3 on the tray. The tow truck driver came in through the front door to reception which was about 20 feet away. As he come in he said "Got another dead one for ya, where do you want this one"

The sales guy said well MOST of the issues are ironed out. Then he prodeeded to tell me that they had fixed 350 odd issues from the last model. That gave me even less confidence.

That was that for me. True story.

The 200 is brilliant - once you get the clunk, oil use and stalling fixed under warranty anyway.

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Follow Up By: Topend - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:37

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 18:37
Thanks for sharing your experience. Can you please elaborate on the clunk, oil use and stalling? What was the cause and how did they fix it?

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:33

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:33
Many 200's have a clunk in the tailshaft. Toyota will grease it when you take it back and that will fix some. If not they will replace the tailshaft after several regreasings.

Some diesel's stall when pulling up at lights. There was a letter from Toyota to all diesel owners affected and they reprogram the ECU. This should be completely fixed by now.

Some users are reporting excessive oil use in the diesels. They all use oil while running in but some do it for 20 - 30,000K. Mine was fine till I put synthetic oil in it then it started using a litre per 4000k. If you report excessive oil use, Toyota will put you on an oil use register. If it uses more than some figure which appears to be a liter per 8000km then they will replace an oil pump.

All are under warranty.

Also I forgot to mention that the 200 is very frugal on diesel if you are light footed, however it gets thirsty when you put the foot down. ( gotta feed those horses). If economy while towing is high on your agenda then the LR diesel wil be better. ( expect 16 - 19 for a 2t van).

Mind you the thing just flys. There is nothing better than towing 2 tons up a steep hill at 110 while overtaking a 3l patrol unloaded which is slowing down. That is with the cruise control on, otherwise you can accelerate more. The big problem is that it tows so well that you have check if the van is still holding on back there.....

It is also second to none off road from the factory.

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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:35

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:35
If it uses more than some figure which appears to be a liter per 8000km then they will replace an oil pump.

I should elaborate that this is my version of what they do and it appears to fix it. It has something to do with the egr valve size letting too many fumes burn or something....
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 07:32

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 07:32
Wouldn’t be a bit one eyed would Boobook2.

If it’s a teething problem with the D3, thats a major draw back yet you think it’s OK for a Toyota to have major teething problems, that sounds fair.

The D3 is proving to be one of the most reliable 4x4s on the road and since it’s introduction, there have been very few system wide problems and all were addressed in the first 18 months.

Things like a faulty air suspension compressor were all replaced, not just lubed up in the hope of getting them out of warranty before they really play up, as seems to be the case with your Toyota.

And as for the Toyota being second to none off road from the factory, that's only if there are no D3s around.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 07:42

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 07:42
Yep drivesafe, after having owned a LR and the enormous costs and and the Toyota too right I am now one eyed. I had never owned a Toyota before this and am very impressed with the toyota attitude verses Landrover ( or ULR anyway).


The Toyota is great off road and my Landrover was just off the road a lot ( at ULR being fixed)

Sorry for expressing a bad LR experience, I know it is bordering on illegal, but it is a fact.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 09:15

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 09:15
I went the other way, from Toyotas to LRs.

12 years ago I changed from Toyotas to LRs, not because the yotas were a problem, they were just boring and I don’t mean that in an insulting way, they were just a 4x4.

Where as the LRs have proven to be much more fun and yes I too have had a lemon LR but one out of 5 is not bad.

While BMW owned LR, they stole all the technology and let the brand run down but Ford made huge improvements and as above, the D3 is one of the most reliable 4x4s ever, LR or otherwise. and mate, you quite obviously have not come up against a D3 off road or you wouldn’t have made that ludicrous statement.

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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:08

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:08
Drivesafe, you just reminded me, I WAS going away with a D3 and others into the high country. A group of us pulled up for fuel at Bright at the start of the trip. After filling, the Disco would not start - nothing. We pushed him to the siade of the servo and that was the last we saw of him for the weekend. He told us later that it just started several hours later and there was no fault found. Hasn't missed a beat since I believe.
I guess if that didn't happen I would have seen it in action off road.

I am not saying that they are all unrelaible, in fact I wouldn't know. I am just saying that in MY limited experience they still seem to have issues and confirm everything I had when I owned one.

You kind of saound like that sales person, - Yeah the old wones were crap, but the new Ford ones wil be great. ( Oh ford don't own them this week do they.) Spares must be a nightmare.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:12

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:12
Sorry about the typos

I meant to say

You kind of sound like that sales person, - Yeah the old ones were crap, but the new Ford ones wil be great. ( Oh ford don't own them this week do they.) Spares must be a nightmare.

Also If Topend gets a Disco and is happy then great. Just relating my experiences.
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Reply By: Keenycruiser - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:41

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 19:41
The disco is a brilliant vehicle but if you are anywhere outside the major cities and it spits the dummy you could be waiting weeks for parts. You only have to drive into small towns and past mining sites to see how many LC and Discos are around. LCs are like Holdens used to be , you can get parts from anywhere. Try fitting extra batteries in a Disco, I.ve got three under the bonnet of my 100 series.
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Follow Up By: Mark Taylor - Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 20:18

Wednesday, Jan 07, 2009 at 20:18
The Disco 3 has a compartment under the bonnet from the factory to fit an extra battery... ever looked under one?


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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 07:18

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 07:18
Hi Keenycruiser, not too much research there.

If it’s a minor part, you will probably get it in some places for the Toyota, with a D3 it will mean waiting for the part overnight but if it’s a major part and it has to come from the UK it’s about 12 days.

With a Toyota, if it’s a major part, it’s 3 months.

While Land Rover will air freight replacement parts from the UK, Toyota will only sea freight, so you have to wait.

While your on about mine sites, the next time your near one ask the maintenance staff about how cheap it is to maintain a Toyota in working order. They are now so dear to maintain and require more servicing ( down time ) than any over make that many of the mining companies are now changing to other makes.

Also have a look around any city now and see how many other makes of work vans are now being use and it wasn’t that long ago when every dog and his mother used Toyota vans. Not any more and for the same reason, they are now just to dear to maintain and require more serving than other makes.

As Mark Taylor posted, all D3s come standard with an auxiliary battery compartment under the bonnet.
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Follow Up By: cookymonster - Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 14:51

Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 14:51
Ramblings of someone dealing with a hangover following....

Haven't heard of many mine sites changing over as yet. Toyota has done some smart things like bring in the V8 Diesels. Employees who work at mine sites don't own the place, so the V8s have been very popular. The boys (in the majority) love the grunt - even if speed limited. These things get flogged and the workers treat them like crap in the majority.
I have a Hilux and a Prado and I was interested to see if the mines had tried any. They had tried Hilux underground, but they just fall apart. Even though they admit they are bloody tough vehicles, they just aren't anywhere near as tough as Landcruisers. Including specially made light vehicles using truck motors.
Last year I spoke to companies that had full time employees scouring australia for secondhand a few year old Landcruiser utes - paying top dollar - because they couldn't get enough of them. Landcruiser utes, troopies are just proven tough vehicles worldwide and there is really no argument. My Hilux and Prado have been faultless after 130,000kms each. Many kilometres being driven like rally cars and thousands of kilometres of corrugations / dirt roads and general stupidity - like getting airborne.

Great cars, but this would NOT put me off looking at a L3. I hadn't considered one previously, but the load carrying flat floor thing sounds appealing and the air suspension. I like the look and I've heard that they drive more like a car on the road.

I have a 5.4m boat, so the towing comments concern me though.

A lot of the debate above is BS. Most people don't actually get that far off the beaten track. But everyone wants to have bragging rights and feel good about their purchase.

Most modern 4x4s are good enough to do 90% of what people want to do and are reliable enough. modern purchasing, supply enables spare parts delivery reasonably quickly. AND often breakdown is down to bad luck.

On my mining visits though, I would possibly look too much like a suit-from-the-city if I parked in the carpark in anything but a Toyota (or maybe Nissan). In fact both of my 4x4s are blue and thats bad enough - Mining = WHITE.

So if you want to look the part in the outback and follow every other muppet - buy a WHITE TOYOTA. Then buy a white Toyota Camry for in town useage. Park them in your driveway to prove you have no personality. :)
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Reply By: Member - The Crow (QLD) - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 08:21

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 08:21
There is a comparison between LC200 and D3 in the January Overlander. I went for the 76 Series LC myself and have not looked back great on fuel even when towing.
200 Series V8 Diesel
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Follow Up By: Topend - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 20:01

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 20:01
Read that report. I was mostly posting to get an appreciation of the amount of room in the D3 which is not adequately cover in the report.

Cheers.
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Reply By: TDMP - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 09:01

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 09:01
Hi Topend.

I have a TDV6 D3, 2007MY, which I have owned from new.

It has amongst other things an ARB deluxe winch bull bar, a Warne XP winch, a Kaymar rear bar, a spare wheel carrier, jerry can holder, second battery set-up and a rear draw system.

I have the HSE so it came with 18" alloys therefore I purchased a full set (6) of 17" steel wheels and run Coopers STT's for off road use.

With the amazing air-suspension I have never had to worry about suspension upgrades.

I have done about 92,000 k's in less than 2 years and can say that this is the best vehicle I have owned.

It also has terrific fuel economy - I average as low as 7.5-8lt/100km on the highway and when I went through the Simpson last year averaged about 13.5lt/100 fully loaded, door to door. Therefore I chose not to get the long range tank and to just use the rear jerry can holder - the only time I have needed extra fuel was when we crossed the desert and I just carried another 2 jerries - I found that this was easier than carrying the second spare on the roof for the entire trip.

The load-space is amazing - I can go from a true 7 seater (had 7 blokes on-board for a bucks weekend up to Dargo) to a 5 seater with generous (and flat) load space to a 2 seater with almost 2 metres of fully flat load space – all in a matter of moments. And when I am touring (including with 2 kids) I remove the rear 2 seats (takes about 20 mins, after done the first time) and then fit in a full size draw system.

This is the first Land Rover I have owned and the best car I have owned.

As to off road performance, I can tell you I have done a fair bit of four wheel driving, including Robe, the Vic high country and the Simpson desert and no obstacle has stopped this car yet (Big Red first go – hardest bit was dodging all the tojos reversing back down ;-) ).

IMHO – give this vehicle a test drive and you will never go back!

HTH.
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 09:33

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 09:33
Also noticed that a number of 4x4 tour companies have swapped over to the D3s for the same reason, they are a genuine 7 adult seater, not 5 adults + 2 kiddie seats.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 12:23

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 12:23
If that their business model is to put people in the very back then good luck to 'em. Not my cuppa tea sitting in the back 4wding for hours on end. Which 4wd tour companies?

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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 14:30

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 14:30
Boobook2, I don’t know what you are on about.

Having a vehicle that is tops off road and can be used as a genuine people mover if you have a big family, not only makes the D3 very good at multi tasking but the D3 does every task better than any other 4x4 in it’s class.

That’s not a draw back, that’s a huge benefit, but you already know that and you were just trying to make your yota look as good.

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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 17:08

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 17:08
Drivesafe, your point was that tour operators chose the Disco 3 because they comfortably seat 7. My point was that it sounds strange that a tour company would put people in the back for a 4wd tour. If they did want to stuff people to the rafters then they could do it with the 8 seat 200. HAHAHAHA
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Reply By: character - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:25

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:25
Morning All, United Kingdom calling!!

Listen, saw a posting on our site here in the uk regards whether to buy a LR D3 or not.

I own one and in fact I own the highest mileaged D3 in the UK, having now done over 265,000 miles in just over 3 years, infact 3 years and 2 months to be exact.

I own a company that collects and delivers new sports cars / supercars throughout the UK and therefore it tows an enclosed single car transporter that is around 21ft long x 7 ft x 12ft high all day in wind, rain, showers and sun.

ALL that we have had is an ERG failure, this regulates the flow of engine ommissions, we have it services every 15,000 miles as required and its only just gone out of its UNLIMITED mileage warranty aorund 8 weeks ago.

I have collected and delivered all kinds of european/japaneese 4x4's and I can honestly say, the D3 is as anyone will tell yer "The best 4x4 by far"

As here he is!!

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Follow Up By: Kroozer - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 12:09

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 12:09
More like the Ugliest 4wd by far.

Went in an Auto version couple of weeks ago and its the most gutless car ive ever been in. We towed a 5.3m fibreglass boat with it and it wouldnt change into 4th gear so we had to make it scream all the way to the boat ramp and home again in 3rd gear as it couldnt maintain the speed (70km) in 4th.

Even without the boat on it was gutless, very smooth gear changes though i liked that. Not my cup of tea thats for sure, very fancy but, all the more things to go wrong.

In actual fact the same car (and boat) had to be trucked from somewhere out of Kalgoorlie all the way to Perth to be fixed after it spat the dummy big time. So im not sure what that person was saying about getting parts air freighted and all that, it means stuff all when it has to be taken to the nearest city to be fixed. Pretty useless if your up Cape York or on The Gibb Road.

Prado would be my choice. After a 76 series.
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Follow Up By: TDMP - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 12:21

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 12:21
hmm...

...should the guy looking to purchase the D3 listen to a bloke who drove one once...

...or to the people who have driven thousands of miles in them.

?

(no comments re: the contents of Kroozers post - it speaks for itself)
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Follow Up By: Steve - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 14:42

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 14:42
school hols - he's missing the playground arguments

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Follow Up By: Mark Taylor - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 18:25

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 18:25
"Prado would be my choice. After a 76 series. "

Is this the same Prado that gets cracks in the inner guards when drive on corrugated roads as reported in the Prado Forum?

Ah well, at least with Toyotas better parts supply they could send out tubes of No More Cracks or something to fix them.

Mate of mine has a 75 series Cruiser. Lost the drain plug for the water trap in the fuel system in Toowoomba. Local dealer didn't have one.

Crafted up a temp replacement and then drove to Melbourne. Every Toyota dealer on the way down didn't have one. Essentially the car was "off the road" except for his ability to fashion a new temp part. (Ex QANTAS engineer"

Finally got one in Melbourne.

I think the days of the part arguments are long over now that all four wheel drives are so sophisticated and have gazillions of different parts in them!
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Follow Up By: Mark Taylor - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 18:26

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 18:26
Managed to not sign my last post!

Cheers

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Follow Up By: Topend - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 20:08

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 20:08
Kroozer,

Which engine powered the D3 you went in? I have a 6.5 metre boat that weighs 2500kg so towing is important to me.

Character,

Thanks for sharing your story.

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: character - Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:27

Thursday, Jan 08, 2009 at 21:27
Ours is the TDV6 2.7 diesel, auto box, 5 seater, has crusie control as its a police spec vehicle, nothing fancy.

Tried a MY 2008, 58 manual the other day, would not advise, seem to spend most of my time changing up and down gears, besides the auto box has the manual override so you've got the best of both worlds, position the auto stick over to the left and manually shift up and down gears from there!
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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 15:25

Friday, Jan 09, 2009 at 15:25
Hi Topend,

I looked at the whole range of vehicles mentioned in this thread when replacing my GU and to be honest, I don' think their is a dud amongst them. At the end of the day, you will be happy whatever way you go, there is more stress in making the decision than living with it!

I was very tempted by the D3 but ruled that out based on resale value. One can speculate that the D3 will have better resale than previous Discos, but I wasn't prepared to take that punt. The cruiser, like it or hate it, has proven high resale and if you are like many others with a lease, the last thing you want is a residual higher than the vehicle value.

Cheers

Captain


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Reply By: razzle - Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 17:12

Saturday, Jan 10, 2009 at 17:12
Toyota has been trading on is reputation for too long, the 100 AND 200 series are U-G-L-Y, bland, dull and boring, and has not contributed to any innovation. Nissan's much the same but cheaper.

I have a 2 yo D3 TDV6 SE and can't fault it, and can safely say that D3's out number LC200 in my regional town, hands down.

I consult to the mining industry and travel extensively and see more than my fair share of Jap 4wds broken-down on the side of the road, I don't really infer to much from this and would not make a purchase decision on this.

Yes mining companies use heavy duty Toyota's/Nissan's, but what about the running costs? I worked at sites where these vehicles have $160k/ per annum maintenance spent on them (Nippers vehicle) and are written off after 18-24 months due to the high maintenance cost and they are worn out. If they where such a great vehcile, surely they should last longer than 18 months?, would a D3 be better? I Don't know but with a 160k per annum maintenance bill, and a 18-24 month working life, it would not be to hard. (my mechanical engineer mate, works in a mine in the UK where they only uses defenders, they get a good 5-10 yrs out of their cars)

I was at a mine site (eastern states) recently where a patrol had been out of service for 2+1/2 weeks, because they could not get a replacement fan belt tensioner, in the end they had to get one from Perth, so much for spare parts availability

Not sure who complained about towing, I hired a 3.0t mini excavator for a weekend and had no trouble towing it and as normal I had to have the cruise control on, so I did not exceed the speed limit. As for reliability, I only have read about it being a problem, (mainly from people who's mate had heard something) and have had no problems.

Most of the anti D3 comments are normally just convenient points of view from Toyota/Nissan die hards, the D3 is the worlds most awarded 4wd ever, I noticed in one of the latest RACQ magagzine the D3 has just won the best all terrain Vehicle award for the 4th year in a row.

My previous cars have been jap 4wd's, I had no real alignments to any brand and made my decision after several test drives, car reviews and realistic feedback from owners. I purchased it because it offered the best value, fuel consumption, ergonomics space, 7 seat configuration and best ride both on road and off.

As for resale, (when they were first released) I read some magaizine that said that D3 should have a 50% value after 3yrs, a late model 05/06 SE TDV6 should then be selling for $37k, I have looked and I can't find a TDV6 SE for $36k. I tried to buy a cheap diesel and gave up, and purchased new

I think a fellow D3 member summed it up best, "some of us prefer more to life than macca's and instant coffee"
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