The Best Allround A/T 4WD Tyre is ???

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You may or may not be surprised to know that extensive testing by Aust. 4WD Monthly, of most of the popular tyres in this group
(all fitted to the same rim, all tested on the same Hilux) has one
tyre first, daylight second, & not a lot of difference in the rest.
The winner, easily, is the Pirelli Scorpion, Cooper & BFG rate OK,
followed by the rest, with Wranglers a bit iffy. This is a traction/handling test & does not rate wear. Want to know more
??. Google is your friend. Plenty to read for those captivated by
things round & black.......oldbaz.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 15:54

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 15:54
I am about to replace my worn Cooper AT's with something and was going to ask about the Yokohama Geolander H/T-S tires , do you know if they were included in the test.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 16:02

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 16:02
TerraFirma
I'm using Yokohama's on the Troopy, so far I'm very pleased with them .

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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 16:08

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 16:08
I think so, check it out....cheers...oldbaz.
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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 16:19

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 16:19
TerraFirma, tyre tested is a Geolander GO 11. Testers were unimpressed with gravel & sand traction.......oldbaz.
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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 15:58

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 15:58
Got the Coopers on the Ford Exploder and the Bridgestone Duelers
on the Nissan, and Yokahamas on the Caravan Oh What a Feeling lol lol,
still all come from rubber trees, unless they are synthetic.

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Follow Up By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 16:11

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 16:11
My thoughts exactly, daza, although I do have a soft spot for the
Firestone Firehawks 31 by 15 on the sprayrig. Strangely they
werent in the test. But ,as we have agreed,its only rubber...;))
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Follow Up By: the redbacks - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 20:40

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 20:40
sorry to differ guy's,
i was just looking back through the older forums,& noticed a cpl of comments "it's only rubber" % of rubber in a tyre is almost nil now-a-days,what makes a tyre give milage is a number of things,but it's the amount of "carbon-black" & were it comes from,dare i say MOST ozzie tyres use a cheaper carbon,most usa,& european tyres use a far better quility carbon, hense better milage,also steel is very important in it's consruction,cheap steel , good steel.
my own personal choice of tyre for general 4wd use are micheline or BFG {owned by micheline} AAT king use nothing but Micheline XS for all their desert buses that must say something !!as for micky something's or coopers, just a "yuppie" tyre
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Reply By: Member - Scrubcat (VIC) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 18:35

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 18:35
G`day Oldbaz,
Not trying to knock your post mate but I reckon that this is a
re-run of a test I read a couple of years ago. Dunno where now, it may have even been on this Forum.
I dug it out when I was looking for c/van tyres, ended up getting the Pirelli Scorpion partly because of the test result and their price at the time.
No complaints yet with them on the van.

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Reply By: Twinkles - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 19:03

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 19:03
I had a set of Pirrelli Scorpions on my last Hilux. Performance was great on and off road but they didn't last well.
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Reply By: Flywest - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 20:40

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 20:40
Still have a set of Pirelli Scorpions on the 80 series - reckon I've had 40,000 out of them and probably get another 25k yet (11mm of tread left).

Not one puncture - bloody amazing tyres.
Kuhmo's would be my next choice.

Cheers
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Reply By: Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 21:22

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 21:22
The best all round tyre for me is not tested by a magazine, especially one that gets paid to advertise them.

The Tyre I use have been tested with 1x 75 series,1x 78 series, 1x 80 series and 5x 100 series, these cars have done over 800,000 kms with 60 % dirt 40% black stuff, I have run them at 42 psi rear and 40 psi front unless in sand IE: Fraser Island, I have had 3 punctures, 2 blow-outs 1 blow-out was driver error and 1 after 55000 km at Marree, after the Strzelecki track, the puctures were Nails or screws.

I have 3 100 series in the front yard with them on as I type , I will not buy another brand Full stop, I guarantee my testing is a bleep e load more than this magazine has even considered.

The Tyres are Australian made Bridgstone 265/75/16s, show me a tyre that comes close and I might look at it.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: stefan & 12 times Dakar winner - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:04

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:04
Yeah all that field testing is good. BUT a Mag did this so it must be right :)
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:38

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:38
Hi Steve,
I assume this is the Bridgestone of which you speak, "Bridgestone D693 (265/75R16 LT)"

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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer Tours - Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:53

Monday, Jan 12, 2009 at 22:53
That's them.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:11

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:11
Yep, I've been running Bridgestones on 3 4wds (2 atm) from 693s, 694s and 673s for 12 years now and have had one puncture (piece of fencing wire on high speed dirt - oh well) and no lugs removed or damage to tyres.


I'll stand by my Bridgestones, even though they obviously don't have the ad budget of some others...

(and I dare say that mine would see more than their share of off-roads)
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:28

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:28
Well, you two are a couple of heretics!

Imagine recommending something you paid for and it worked!

About time you two got onto the magazine pay for comment band wagon!

All jokes aside, thanks for the honest appraisal from the pointy end of the 4wd world.

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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Jan 14, 2009 at 22:22

Wednesday, Jan 14, 2009 at 22:22
Top End Explorer Tours Steve.

Do they have to be Australian made, on there web site 750R 16 are none specific of where they are made.

Looking at replacing all 6 on the troopy, have been running Dunlops 2 x type 'F' and one Type 'S'


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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer Tours - Wednesday, Jan 14, 2009 at 22:45

Wednesday, Jan 14, 2009 at 22:45
Richard the answer is yes, The D 694 265/75/16s are made in Japan, these tyres are a softer tyre, the D693 275/75/16s are Australian made and are a much stronger tyre, this info is from my Bridgestone dealer, he won't sell me anything else with the same guarantee.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Jan 15, 2009 at 00:43

Thursday, Jan 15, 2009 at 00:43
Thank you

I was just going by there web site click size for this patten


Maybe




Cheers

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Reply By: young_codger - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:18

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 00:18
Hi

I've got Bridgestone Desert Duellers 604's on my Hilux - the white lettered ones

They are a bit old school these days, but look pretty cool and are great on sand.

I'm on my 2nd set of them now and I got about 80000km out of my first set (were extremely bald at this point though).

If anyone has an opinion on these tyres, I'd love to here it??

Thanks
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Reply By: Axel [ the real one ] - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 08:32

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 08:32
And for real world use look what the big fleet companys out Innaminka way use on their 4x4s , long life ,good in wet + dry dirt, gibber ect ect , no chipping , TerraTrac by Hercules .
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:19

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:19
If the test mentioned is the one from issue 85 of the mag its two years and 4 months old aand the Pirelli Scorpions that were rated best are no longer imported. I had two ordered in Nov 2006 and had to wait a month for them and was told that these will probably be the last of them

I tried to buy some last year and was told that and the new ones are called ATR's and have a different tread etc.

There was a later test done but not as extensive and with different tyres.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 19:52

Tuesday, Jan 13, 2009 at 19:52
Axel - So is this a Cooper Tyre? I found this about them!!!

Hercules tyres are manufactured by Cooper

COOPERATIVE APPROVED TIRE LIST (Extract from http://www.doi.gov/greening/procure/final0...922Highway.pdf)
(CATL)
CATL-1922, June 2003
FOR US GOVERNMENT PURCHASE OF: Non-Military: New & Retread Passenger Car Tires, Pursuit and Emergency High Speed Tires, Light Truck Tires, Truck/Bus Tires, & Off Road Severe Application Tires (ORSA) Military: Retread Light, Medium and Heavy Tactical Truck and Trailer Tires

GROUP 2, LIGHT TRUCK: NEW TIRES (continued)
COOPER TIRE & RUBBER COMPANY
? QUALIFIED PRODUCTION POINTS: ALL COOPER TIRE & RUBBER COMPANY TIRE MANUFACTURING FACILITIES
? TEST QUALIFICATION REFERENCE: ACTS-CATL-T1-1/98-057
? QUALIFICATION EXPIRATION DATE: 30 JUNE, 2008
GOVERNMENT MODEL/BRAND
ITEM NO. DESIGNATION CLASS CODES

COOPER BRANDS:
X2.3.1RA “DISCOVERER RADIAL LT” a/s, at AP, PS
X2.3.2RA “SRM II” r/t AP, PS
X2.3.3RA “DISCOVERER RADIAL STT” a/t AP, PS, STC
X2.3.4RA “DISCOVERER S/T” a/s,a/t AP, PS
X2.3.5RA “DISCOVERER M+S” s/t AP, PS, STC
X2.3.19RA “DISCOVERER A/T” a/s, a/t AP, PS
X2.3.20RA “DISCOVERER H/T” a/s AP, PS
NOTE: MORE COOPER BRANDS, STEEL/STEEL CONSTRUCTION ARE ALSO LISTED BELOW.

HERCULES TIRE & RUBBER COMPANY BRANDS (MANUFACTURED BY COOPER):
X2.3.48RA “TERRA TRAC TOURING LTD” a/s AP, PS
X2.3.49RA “TERRA TRAC” a/s, a/t AP, PS
X2.3.50RA “ALL TRAC RADIAL A/S” a/s AP, PS
X2.3.53RA “TERRA TRAC RADIAL RIB” a/s AP, PS
X2.3.54RA “MERIT ALL COUNTRY RADIAL A/S” a/s AP, PS

Cheers Tony

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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Wednesday, Jan 14, 2009 at 07:52

Wednesday, Jan 14, 2009 at 07:52
Made in Taiwan , round $160 / $170 per ,, had them on the 80 series for our last 6 mth trip , 23,000 klm including 10,000 klm dirt , [ strez ,oodnadatta ,tanami ,meneenee ,gibb , ect , ect cape york ect.] Not 1 bit of chipping or wear ,
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Reply By: Member - lyndl b (WA) - Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 23:26

Thursday, Jan 22, 2009 at 23:26
hi every 1 and thank's for all the input. We are about to travel around Oz with an off road Pioneer camper with a Nissan Patrol, 3.0lt turbo diesel, My question is about the Kuhmo KL78 all terrain, 175/70/16- 8ply radial tyre. We can obtain them here in the west but havn't been able to find many performance, durability comments on the 4wd forums. Any advise would be much apprieciated. Jeff.
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