Engineering Certificate for Towing

Submitted: Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 13:02
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Firstly I live in Qld, and would like to know how I would go about getting a certificate for my MU for towing/tow bar more than 1200KG/80KG ball weight?
Looking up the Hayman Reese web site they have a tow bar for the Jackaroo 1995 with 2500/250KG for the LWB and SWB, now this model has the same engine as my MU and I would say the SWB model the same chassis.
So I have some thing to go on but what do they do to get mine certified?

Cheers Bruce

PS I have the 2500/250 tow bar on the Wizard (which is a LWB MU) but no certificate for it either.
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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 13:14

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 13:14
Bruce,

I would say you would have to find an Engineer and get it blue plated. The engineer may require some mods to be done with brakes, suspension and possibly tyres before he'll mod plate it.

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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 13:41

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 13:41
Right thanks Kev, where would I start looking for one of these Engineers?

While I've got you Kev, have you had a look around Cracow at all, was thinking of go and having a look at this Cracow Beach, its between Cracow and Theodore. Found it in the Dirty Weekends in CQ book thinking of going at Easter Un less your thinking of having a Gathering up your way then

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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 14:10

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 14:10
I could be moving locations over Easter :)
I have applied for a job in Esk.

May long weekend maybe a good time to do it.
I haven't been there but it looks like a good spot

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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 14:48

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 14:48
Just down the road bro Esk
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 14:51

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 14:51
Call in for a cuppa if your going thru here mate.

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Reply By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 14:09

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 14:09
Bruce

This is what the "Guide" says ...

Who are Approved Persons and where do I find one?
Approved Persons are employed by private industry and
authorised by Queensland Transport to approve vehicle
modifications.

Automotive businesses throughout Queensland, including
most service stations which issue Safety Certificates,
have Approved Persons. The names and addresses of
Approved Persons are available at Queensland Transport
Customer Service Centres.

and this is the link to download the PDF file re Modifications to light vehicles in QLD.

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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 14:50

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 14:50
Thanks Malcolm willl have a look at that.

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Follow Up By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 15:20

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 15:20
Safety certs are not the same as an engineering certificate. My mate is qualified to issue safety certificates / road worthies but he's not a qualified engineer. Very few of them are. You need to find a specialist.

Sorry can't help with any referrals but someone on here is bound to know.

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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 15:23

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 15:23
Thanks John
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Follow Up By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 18:04

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 18:04
You are correct. Safety and Engineering are NOT the same thing.

What that guide said was that the same people that issue Safety Certificates generally have "Approved Persons" that can issue BLUE PLATES - these are the things that you need to authorise vehicle mods etc. There are different codes that authorise them to issue blue plates for different things.

Then there are fully qualified automotive engineers that will CERTIFY your vehicle - and extract big bucks from your wallet.

IMHO you should go into a QT Inspection Station and talk to the guys on the desk as to what you actually need. Take their advice after all they are the "scalies" that will knock you off further down the track.

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Reply By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 15:42

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 15:42
Went through that merrygoround last year with the 80 she's a 92 15" bleep house brakes 3500 tow bar could only tow 2250kg so we upgraded the wheels to 16" and brakes. We found an engineer that required a form 5 from main roads. Main roads required a letter from Toyota. Toyota said to buy a newer car.
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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 15:54

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 15:54
Bruce one other thing is the different rules through out Australia, one chappy from main roads said to me that just because QLD has approved it then you have the trouble of taking it over the boarder. It really beeped us off as we have set the car up for touring Aus with the van and we had to stay with our smaller van. Have moved on and am sort of glad we cant tow anything bigger than the 17' as it was bigger enough to get through the snowy mountains. We put a quick one pole tent up for the kids. My suggestion if you haven't invested all that much in your current vehicle change it.
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 16:00

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 16:00
Thanks Sharon, some of the rules are just crazy. I only want about 1800 KG and 180 KG ball weight, but because its a grey import I think they will (Qld Tpt) have some excuse, even though my Isuzu MU has better brakes then the same year Jackaroo.

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Reply By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 18:45

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 18:45
Bruce,

Try Bozmac in Hervey Bay. 0741245425. They supposedly have a person there that may be able to tell you more. I rang them and asked if I could upgrade the GVM on the patrol.
The guy I wanted wasn't there but the owner said he would ask him next time he was in and get back to me....still waiting a few weeks later!! I will ring again soon to ascertain where I stand. The owner said he charges for info he gives out...hope that is not true, but who knows these days.

Doesn't hurt to ask....

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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 20:37

Saturday, Jan 31, 2009 at 20:37
Thanks Greg will look into that, had a talk to a mate in Rocky this afternoon and suggested talking to Dobinsons. How you been keeping mate? Your working up in Munduberra now?
Might head up to Cracow at Easter have alook around, see if I can get into the Cracow Beach place.

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Reply By: RV Powerstream P/L - Sunday, Feb 01, 2009 at 08:33

Sunday, Feb 01, 2009 at 08:33
Bruce
My Mu has towed a 3tonne pan for four years now in all eastern states and never been questioned once.

The auto has an 1800KG bar and the manual has a 2500Tonne bar.

The manual tows the trailer and the trailer is braked on all 4 wheels with 12" electric with abreakaway.

RTA NSW Engineers advised me that anyone can build a tow bar and fit it as long as it is stamped with its design statistics but they run the risk if it fails.

I have not been able to get an MU GCM but an 1800KG Rodeo towbar bolts straight on the MU and really that is what you have an upgraded Rodeo.

Fit a Rodeo suitably stamped and no engineer should be needed.

Your MU weighs in at 18.2KG and you can tow 1 to 1 anyway.

If yours is a 2.8L manual you should be ok at 1800KG.

The only difference in an upgrade to the 1800KG bar is the end plates that bolt to the chassis are thickened and you add a centre plate to to the bar up to the back chassis cross beam to take out side flex of the end plates.
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Feb 01, 2009 at 10:08

Sunday, Feb 01, 2009 at 10:08
Hi Ian, MY MU is a 3.1 and has heaps of power. The tow bar on it is only 1200/80 all I could find at the time. But our MU Wizard (four door MU) has the same motor but is an auto has a tow bar with two plates one is for a Frontera 1600/80 and the other Jackaroo 2500/250. The chap I brought it (Wizard) from, said he could not get it certified to tow his van. It would be nice to have it legal though.

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Reply By: RV Powerstream P/L - Sunday, Feb 01, 2009 at 13:44

Sunday, Feb 01, 2009 at 13:44
Bruce
Just get a Rodeo 1800 one and put it on and then defy anyone to tell you its not legal especially with the 3.1 Turbo.

If they can find the specs to tell you you are not legal they should be able to tell you what is they cant have it both ways.

The Jack 2500 may not be right for the Wizard as the Auto Jack drops 500KG in towing to the manual.

One other thing to look at is the short rear overhang gives you a better ride than most vehicles and you can increase your download due to it.

My big pan on the MU site perfect but on the back of an F250 with a load in the F lays down in the back.

We had to put air bags on it to level the ride.

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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Feb 01, 2009 at 15:04

Sunday, Feb 01, 2009 at 15:04
Good suggestion Ian, think that will be the way to go. And your right about the short over hang on the MUs, towing our Viscount (about 1300) she does not sag at all and has a great ride.

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