"Personal" profiles on Facebook etc

G'day Tim

This Thread has real Monday morning potential!

For me it is the non-disclosed motivations and opportunties that arise and that are taken. We just need to be aware that once we put personal info onto the net, then we can become a target. Nothing might happen to 99.9% of us, but the risk is created.

Cheers
John

Hey John,

I think you misunderstand the article and what its saying. This isn't about selling your details to a "Nigerian Scam" fraudster. Facebook is considered excellent in its privacy options. This is a way they can monetise their service to enable it to continue.

Facebook (and other reputable sites) are very clear about all motivations and opportunities are quite clearly outlined from my experience.

To draw a parallel very close to home, Exploroz has paid membership, a shop and advertising which are all excellent. But with sadly questionable user terms in my opinion.

Have you read the Exploroz terms of use?

Specifically the user licence section. It's actually one of the more restrictive (for the user) and potentially beneficial (for the site owner) that I've come across.

To paraphrase: Anything you put on this site (pictures or words) can be used or sold on by the site owners to anyone, anywhere in the world, in perpetuity, with no financial or other recourse to you.

I love the site and the work of David & Michelle, but that is dated legalese and the specific reason that I never post any pictures on Exploroz. I have lots I'd love to share, but find those terms unacceptable, even if they are largely unenforceable.

It is quite easy for them to be changed and now this topic has raised its head, maybe David and Michelle will do so.

More on this general area here Pro-imaging Bill Of Rights

Red hot tip - your bank, your loyalty cards and your local council are your weakest links when it comes to personal information sharing...

Cheers,

Tim

Dang - can't edit.
Should have also noted that in addition to words and pictures, waypoint plots and any other data. *Including your personal data*

I do trust David & Michelle, but why should I?

Cheers,

Tim

Thanks Tim

I thought I had read recently how Facebook had been manipulated to the detriment of a user or users, not by the site owner but by 'outsiders'.

Your points are very well-made and appreciated, and do emphasise the need for the action that I am guilty of not taking, i.e. always reading the fine print. I will read the Exploroz terms of use.

I agree the thrust of your "red hot tip".

Thanks again
John

John
You only become a target if you click the yes button, I always delete emailed offers, and I just love deleting those stupid emails that ask to send on to the next 7 friends ,PMO.. ,
I have a face book account, I see all the crap on the sides trying to entice , all you gotta do is ignore them .

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All major sites have terms of use policies, they have to to protect themselves from users who try to hijack their services or utilise their site for their own gain.

When I upload images here I do so for the benefit of other users, if someone wants to pinch one that's fine, if they start making money with it in their name thats another kettle of fish and I'll have a bit of a yarn to them when it happens.

The government and Telstra sell personal details on a regular basis and as Doug T says, you only become a target if you click the yes bitton.

Government, partially correct.
Telstra, completely incorrect.

The government has a wide rein, yes. But only where obligated, does it "sell" info such as electoral roll.

As a listed company, Telstra is actually incredibly careful with data both internally and externally. Telstra does not "sell on" your data. If a company or charity buys a phone book and calls from it, that's not Telstra's doing. The same goes for all major telcos and service companies.

They have very strict guidelines on how often and who can be contacted about anything. And those are adhered to. Nothing is perfect, but you paint a dark picture that is a long way from reality.

Ironically, this scaremongering now actually makes it incredibly hard for companies to speak to existing customers about new services and offers *which might save them money* as they ticked the no marketing box. It's amazing how irate some of these customers then get when they find out they've been paying over the odds and couldn't legally be advised as such.

Cheers,

Tim

Thanks for bringing me up to date and pointing out where I was wrong 'timglobal'.

I think you are up to up to mischief by tossing out a few worms, but you've told me all I need to know. Thanks for that!

timglobal:

"Telstra does not "sell on" your data"

So what about them selling the electronic white paged on CD that can be searched by street address?

Pete

Could you provide some reference to this product? I'm not aware of its existence.

I should probably point out that I don't work for Telstra, btw.

It may no longer be available but I have used two products in a previous job:

WhitePages CD - published by Tesltra.
Australia on Disk - it used to list all numbers and is still commercially available for business numbers.

You could use either to reverse search numbers, locate numbers in a given street or at a specific address or geolocation. Brilliant for marketing.

Hey Pete,

You're slightly mistaken. And we're waaaaay off topic. But hey.

> WhitePages CD - published by Telstra.

This hasn't existed for 5 years.
This contained all (non-silent) phone numbers from all telcos, also known as the IPND. It isn't a list of Telstra customers that can be mailed.
It required at least surname and state to return a match. It did not allow street level searches - in fact it died as people preferred to use whitepages online as a disk is out of date the moment it is pressed.
If you did brute force the disc by using a list of surnames (and it's a moronic exercise compared to ordering and reading off a white pages) then you were in breach of the terms of use, copyright and privacy legislation. Turn yourself in at your nearest Police Station, please.
It was published, and versions continue to be published an accessible, ie at White Pages
It is published by Sensis / Telstra as a legal requirement of their carriage licence.
More info on the IPND here IPND info

To reiterate, Telstra does not sell its customers details.

> Australia on Disk
This is a bit of a red herring as its businesses, but I'll fillet it and cook it up anyway.
Businesses tend not to be circumspect about their listings as new customers can't call silent numbers and company details are a matter of public record.
AoD actually now also do residential numbers, but none of this comes from Telstra.
To quote them:
"What's the difference between this disc and the disc Telstra banned?

The other discs that have been consequently shut down over the years were simply plain dumps from the yellow pages. The data from AOD has been compiled from multiple reputable sources, sourced specifically by our team and is regularly updated. Also the price was a lot more expensive for these discs. Brylar's Australia On Disc and DTMS Marketing Pro ranged up to $1500 AUD. That makes almost a third of the price for a completely better database. Also keep in mind older discs had nothing like the number of emails, URL's, faxes, contact names etc that this current version of Australia On Disc has."

Roundup:
There were a couple of cowboy outfits that effectively stole information around 2003-4 by scanning directories (both white and yellow) but they were unrelated to Telstra. In fact Telstra did you a favour by shutting them down.
I know knocking Telstra is a favourite pastime and I think they stink in many ways, but this isn't one. In this area, Telstra are actually very good and put considerable effort into preventing this activity.
If you believe that Telstra has sold your, or others information, then you could sue them for a lot of money. Good luck.

Cheers,

Tim

Somebody forgot to tell the President of the USA and His Holiness the Pope about that, Michael! :D

LOL. One could argue that one fits the "young and..." category while the other fits the "too much time..." category...

And Exploroz for the senior end of that "stupid with too much time on their hands" spectrum?

timglobal
Oh thanks for the compliment , now ya can rack off,

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I think ya nailed it timglobal!

Facebook for the young and free

and

Exploroz for the old and cashed up :)

:-P

I can only assume that Michael is using his best lure.

Sorry Guys, I just couldnt help myself!! I wish i could catch fish that easily!! To be honest, i havent even been on the site nor really know what its all about.. A friend of mine who is in England at the moment, sent me an Email and she directed me to her face book, i went to the site but you must join or log in,, so buggar it, it as all too hard.. so i didnt bother.. BUT!! i have a feeling my first post may have some truth in it.. Michael.

Micheal

you bring the best out of people.... LOL

you just have to love DT answer... LOL

Cheers

Richard

Willem,
Wise words as ever.
It's a shame your hard work has been plagiarised by others. I've been impressed with your site and enjoyed your yarns and articles.
The internet allows plagiarism and shysters, but fortunately also allows detection with almost equal simplicity as you've found.
Do keep updating your site and let us know.
Cheers,
Tim

Willem
Yeh... good thoughts, but really great to see your new hairyplane.

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What!!!!
On THIS site?
Are you sure???

Hahahaha

Hey Hairy

Whilst I can take a joke and a ribbing you are starting to push the envelope too far. In fact I am sure that you are infringing upon my and David's copyright by lifting the photos and altering them. Whereas I see no reason to make an issue of this, I can if I wish to.

Go work on your bike instead of giving me grief


LOL


Cheers

Jeeze Willem...sory.... did I hit a nerve. ( are you refering to the post with the plane?)
Dont know about the copyright thing I wouldnt have thought a rig pic was copyrighted?
Anyway.......I promise I wont pull this pi$$ anymore.

No Hairy...you didn't hit nerve


You just need to take your Smartpills regularly :-)

Hey Willem

See AnswerID: 347224 in this thread. A certain gentleman from Moss Vale is calling us YOUNG & UNWISE.

I dont mind the young thing but I resemble the unwise bit.
Cheers Colin.

Hey Colin, A gentleman...... Thanks for that.... I take it all back!!! :) Michael