Weather in reverse ?

Submitted: Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 20:04
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Well today just about tips the traditional talk about Australia's hot spots right on it's head - who would ever have thought Birdsville literally gets no hotter than the famously cold Melbourne ! .... and as for some of those 'nay-sayers' re global warming - just introduce them to a few shell-shocked citizens of regional Victoria today - they'd probably be flogged.
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 21:19

Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 21:19
D,

46.4 in Melbourne today.

That is 115.5 F for the old farts. That is very bloody hot.

Hotest day on record, since about 1850 (when records were first kept). 13/1/1939 it got to 45.6 and that was the previous recorded hotest.

There has to be something to this global warming thing. We have eminently qualified scientists telling us it is real. We also have a mob of "geniuses" who, quite frankly couldn't quote you the boiling point of water, debunking it.

Cheers,

Jim.



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Follow Up By: Rockape - Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 21:28

Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 21:28
Jim,
we all remember the doctors who worked for the cigarette company's telling us smoking doesn't hurt us, they had all the figures to prove it.

Just depends on which side of the fence you stand on and what they stand to lose

Have a good one

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G Gulmarrad - Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 23:58

Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 23:58
JIM

Hot weather for this time of year?.........unheard of !!!!!!!!!

how is the weather reversed?
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 12:47

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 12:47
Mark,

1. Yes 46.4 is unheard of.

2. I didn'y say anything about weather being reversed

Cheers,

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G Gulmarrad - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 15:22

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 15:22
JIM

so every year HAS to be the same temperature as the last?
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 16:55

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 16:55
Mark,

It's your choice not to believe in climate change.

Nothing I can say or do will change that.

You may be right and the Scientists, along with historical weather patterns, may be wrong. But just for the moment I'm listening to those qualified to speak.

Cheers,

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G Gulmarrad - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 17:14

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 17:14
JIM


they must be right.................being academics and all.


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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 17:33

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 17:33
Yeah,

Gotta hate those academics.

I'm really dirty on the Gynaecologist who caught my wife's cancer early enough to save her life.

The Renal Specialist who treats my son's kidney condition has him leading a normal life again. He's a real bastard.

My Accountant's a mongrel too. I'd really love to be paying extra tax.

And what about those teachers eh? I'll never forgive them for giving my boys an education.

Yep, no place in this world for academics.

Over and out.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G Gulmarrad - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 17:35

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 17:35
JIM



tool.
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Reply By: Steve - Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 22:21

Saturday, Feb 07, 2009 at 22:21
it's just weather
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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 00:13

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 00:13
Explain that to the people that died today!

I'm sure it made the fear and pain of their death so much easier to bear

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Follow Up By: Off-track - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 02:01

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 02:01
million and one ways to die. Weather has always been a popular one.
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Follow Up By: Steve - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 10:06

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 10:06
Nargun

don't be silly - I was saying that is the nature of "weather" and not necessarily global warming. Similar to what Off-track said in his post

Of course it's tragic that deaths occur as a result but please, don't go all emotional on me. It wasn't my fault.
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 12:38

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 12:38
Nargun51,
I suppose there was global worming in 1939 too?
Cheers Dave....
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Follow Up By: Nargun51 - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 14:54

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 14:54
The hottest day in 150 years...possibly within statistical variation for Melbourne, possibly not

Give me the link to a paper published within a meteorology/climate/statistics publication that has been peer reviewed which that states that variations of this amount above the mean February temperature are statistically insignificant and then I will totally agree with this is weather.

I have no idea whether the temperature experienced in Melbourne was a result of climate change. As you are either a climatologist or meteorologist and on the basis of this knowledge can back your statement, I am asking you to prove that it is only weather

I suppose what annoyed me to respond the way I did, was when I read this I had just spent a couple of hours on ABC on line reading about the full impact of the fires. I know the areas and live in a bush environment myself. To read a person flippantly state "its just weather" is to read a person who has little imagination, insight and empathy

PS Dave...I'd suggest that as intestinal worms are a parasite that infect people all around the world and have since the beginning of recorded history, there was global WORMING in 1939
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Follow Up By: Steve - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 20:45

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 20:45
I'd actually been away myself for a few days and hadn't realised the extent of the fires but I've already explained my post especially for your benefit. Everyone else can understand but you. Get some perspective ffs. Whether it's global warming or just weather, it isn't my fault and it's not even that important right now. Take your anger somewhere else.
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 10:29

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 10:29
Global warming has made Europe have record cold and ice this year?
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G Gulmarrad - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 10:31

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 10:31
ROYCE

sounds like more hot air comes out of canberra's big building than anywhere else?


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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 16:58

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 16:58
Actually chaps, the Scientiists are telling us that climate change is creating wild changes, both hot and cold.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 17:14

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 17:14
Hi - the term "global warming" refers to the overall increase in the average world temperature - it doesnt mean everywhere will get hotter. Some places may get hotter, some colder, some will possibly stay the same..but on average, the theory is, the earth will be warmer. "Climate change" is a better term to use at it helps prevent people getting confused about what may be happening.

These discussions also get confused by some people stating they think that current weather patterns are just in the normal range, while others are happy to agree its changing, but its a "natural" event. Then there are some who chop and change between the two depending on the day.

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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 18:03

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 18:03
To true Greg to true. This is a weather pattern (bad one) but a weather pattern nun the least. Floods in NQ, the monsoonal through is a bit more active this year, after many, many years of being non active. I was in Adelaide in February 1982 when the temps were around 44 degrees for a number of days. I am with you and saying this is not global warming.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G Gulmarrad - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 18:06

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 18:06
BRUCE

its just a clever ploy for the government to collect MORE revenue me thinks.





cheers.
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 18:21

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 18:21
If it was a pattern we would be experiencing things that have happened before. We are not.

Yesterday we saw 46.4 in Melbourne. Last week we had three days in a row over 43. Neither of these things have happened in the 160 years that records have been kept.

I would suggest that 160 years is long enough to form patterns.

What may have happened before that is pure speculation.

I have been sceptical about climate change, but have kept an open mind. I am beginning to believe it is a real possibilty. There are too many facts to just dismiss it out of hand.

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 18:56

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 18:56
It is correct science to be sceptical. Most scientists are sceptics.

The fashion to blame each weather event as 'global warming' has been transformed into 'climate change' as events haven't neatly fitted the warming concept.

It is still a THEORY, albeit strongly supported by evidence.

Melbourne's mean temp has increased by a few degrees as it has built it's population and industry. It may be that the 'record' achieved is due to this.

Unfortunately the Theory of Global Warming [now Climate Change] is not politically correct to challenge. Massive economic and socioligical changes may be made using this theory as the motivation.

Another theory is that Human activity is causing a warming effect.

In 30 years or so, we may be able to decide how strong the theory is.

Meanwhile, I'm happy to support sensible, well planned changes to how we do things, so that we don't contribute to the possible warming of out planet.

Not that it will make much difference.

I think this debate will continue for a long time. And so it should. Accepting theories because a lot of scientists currently support it is very dangerous. Most new scientific breakthroughs were against the current view.

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Follow Up By: Axel [ the real one ] - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 21:31

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 21:31
160 yrs of records is enough ? to prove what ? who is to say that 161 yrs ago the temp was not higher , the equipment back then is nowhere near the same accuracy as today so Jumbo as per normal you speculate and pontificate as truth on subjects that you should leave alone,
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 21:51

Sunday, Feb 08, 2009 at 21:51
Axel,

Let the personal vendettas go.

84 people died today in fires.

Life is too precious.

Jim.

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