Stray Current to Radiator Solved................................................

Submitted: Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 13:43
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I think I have found the source of the problem ( to be exact Ozhumvee suggested that. Thanks Peter )

I fitted a Low Water Alarm around about the same time as the new radiator back in 2006.

The LWA puts an electrical current directly into the Coolant. Worrying about bad earth connections causing stray currents and eventually electrolysis pales into insignificance as compared to direct electrical injection...lol.

So I will have to live with this as without the Low Water Alarm I could seize the engine if things went pear-shaped and that would be a far greater repair bill.

ATM I am flushing the engine of old coolant using the old radiator of 2006 (I also seem to throw nothing away) and will make sure I put the right stuff in when I install the new radiator next week.

Might have to flush the radiator more often from now on!!!

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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 14:05

Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 14:05
Willem why not earth the radiator to the engine? This will give an easier path for currents to flow.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 21:30

Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 21:30
If you earth the radiator you will create a return path for electrolysis currents !!!!
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 17:13

Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 17:13
umm isnt the radiator already earthed? And wouldnt bonding the motor to the radiator, which is bonded to earth, bring everything to the same potential, thereby nullifying any stray currents?
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 14:25

Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 14:25
Willem
There were a few good threads on this topic that also talked about coolants and copper radiators a while ago...it might be worth trying a copper radiator and coolant that will be compatable with cast, alloy and copper if you have a cast head.
My Toyota originally had alloy/plastic radiator and it was rubber mounted so no earth existed to chassis except through the block. Was your old rad rubber mounted too??
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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 17:52

Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 17:52
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The GQ's radiator is rubber mounted. Engine is cast. I think that the old radiator was copper and the new one should be too
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 14:52

Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 14:52
What type of coolant alarm did you use Willem...I believe that the Redarc one uses AC current to avoid the problem you seem to have experienced.
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 15:17

Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 15:17
Agreed. All designs I have seen use AC rather than DC to avoid just this problem.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 15:28

Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 15:28
Willem
I have one fitted to my Troopy, I have not had any problems , in fact if it wasn't there I'd done the motor twice , and one of those times was out across the Nullarbor.

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 15:34

Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 15:34
I lso tested mine and found that only 45 micro amps at less than 2 volts shows on the meter , and it's not a chinese meter.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 17:49

Saturday, Feb 14, 2009 at 17:49
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It may be that any electricity going into the coolant is part of the problem. It may be that I mixed the coolant brands which exacabated the problem. It may be that the coolant mix was too strong. It may be that the radiator was dodgy. There seems to be many variables according to any number of scribes.

My radiator is rubber mounted and does not touch the body of the vehicle so where do the stray currents come from?

In the mean time I am stuck with a $550 bill.
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Reply By: wilber - Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 06:26

Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 06:26
It's true that the Low Coolant Alarm puts electrical current into the coolant. However this is such a low amount (45 micro amps @ 2 volts) that there is NO WAY it can cause electrolysis and damage any part of your engine. Mixing types of incompatable coolant is defo not a good idea.
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 19:59

Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 19:59
Electrolysis can only occur if a current flows.

You can have two different metals in a conductive fluid - they might corrode slowly - but put the two diiferent metals in contact and they will corrode quickly.

When zinc anodes are put on a hull or outboard motor, they must be in electrical contact with the hull to be effective.

If your radiator is made of one metal, say aluminium, there will be minimal corrosion. There's iron in the engine block, but there's only one electrical path - the coolant. If you run a wire from radiator to engine block you are completing the electrical circuit and the aluminium and iron form a battery - whose current can flow through the wire.

I've checked the resistance from radiator fins to engine block on my 12 month old Pajero - 1500 ohms - what I'd expect for the coolant. The radiator is on rubber mounts.

The voltage measured is 0.1 volt or 100 millivolt. If I connect a wire from radiator to engine block, this voltage will drive rapid corrosion.


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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 22:18

Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 22:18
Thank you for all of your replies.

I realise now that the Low Water Alarm probably would not contribute to electrolysis within the coolant and that the real cause of the radiaotor failure must be incorrect coolant mix.


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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 22:52

Sunday, Feb 15, 2009 at 22:52
G'day Willem,
Just a reminder (in case ya hadn't thought of it)...

When ya flush the cooling system, Don't forget the heater core!
Simply have the heater control "on" while flushing, or better still, dis-connect the heater hoses and flush it separately..

If this is not done, then you're back to the ol' mixed coolant syndrome.................

Not wanting to tell ya how to suck eggs or anything, but many people do overlook this very important item..

Catch ya later:)
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Feb 16, 2009 at 00:17

Monday, Feb 16, 2009 at 00:17
Yerrr.... I had, young Ed......:-)



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