Latitude/Longitude referencing

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 08:46
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As I am doing some travel research using digital maps I would like to pose this question to the Mapping guru's

I am using a grid reference and have come as close as possible in setting the computer cursor on the same intersection


Example:

Oziexplorer GDA 94

33°00.034'S
139°00.067'E

Hema WGS 84

33°00'05.5"S
139°00'06.7"E

Google Earth

33°00'05.96"S
139°00'07.56"E

Oziexplorer shows Lat/Long up to fractions of a Minute
Hema shows Lat/Long up one decimal point of a Second
Google shows Lat/Long up to two decimal points of a Second

Why is it so?

And is there any way to get them to correlate? Maybe a setting somewhere in Hema or Oziexplorer to correlate with Google?




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Reply By: Zebra400 - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:23

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:23
Willem

OziExplorer can show your position in all of the above formats. By Hema, do you mean their maps or Hema Navigator?

BTW, I have an issue when using Garmin XT. It only likes the format in WGS84 and Deg & Min. When I want to put in a location that is not on the map, I sometimes have to convert my co-ordinate. For that I either show the position in OziExplorer and then change it to show it in Garmin XT format or use a spreadsheet to convert. However, the spreadsheet does not convert from one Datum to another.

Why do they all use diffferent formats? Well slowly, I think the WGS84 Deg Min is becoming the standard. This is format that your GPS receives from the satelites.

Laurie


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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:51

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:51
Thanks Laurie

Yep using Hema Maps. Heam aren't all that flash for detailed mapping but they do have some redeeming features like co-ordinates of places of interest.

I would like to change Oziexplorer to read the same format as Google Earth. How do I do that? I am not sure which format Google Earth is running.

Basically what I do is use my mainframe computer to plot a course using Ozi and Google. Then I might print some of the maps for quick reference and print a page of the co-ordinates I use the Netbook for setting bearings and I have a PDA just to show me where I am on the map! Also have a 6 yo Magellan GPS with large digital lettering to show the bearing.

What I do is slightly different to what others do in setting up track routes etc, but it works for me.


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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:07

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:07
Willem

To change the format in OziExplorer go the 'File' 'Configuration'.

Now click on the 'Maps' tab. The 2nd last item says Lat/Long display. Change this to Degrees, Minutes.

BTW, if you are inputting your own waypoints, you dont have to change this setting. You can still enter your co-ordinates in say Deg, Min & Sec by placing a space between the min & sec in the minute box.

Now to change the datum for your map, just click in the Datum being displayed at the top of the screen on the right hand side of your co-ordinates (just under the menu bar). This will drop down a box and you can select any listed datum or select Datum of Loaded Map. Most of the time I use Datum of Loaded Map, but for caes you you have raised, I can easily change it so it displays in the datum I wish to see.

Oh, one last thing, if you change the daum and have grid lines loaded, you may see them move from the ones shown on your map. But don't worry, you will still be tracking correctly.

Laurie
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:16

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:16
Laurie

Thanks. One learns something everyday.
Have to and play with the truck now but will pursue this mapping stuff tonight.


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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:31

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:31
Hello Willem
You can change the co-ord readout in OziExplorer "on the fly" without going into the configuration settings as suggested. Hopefully the attached picture shows what to do.

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Follow Up By: Zebra400 - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:38

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:38
Gees Greg

Now you have taught me something. Des must have slipped that one in a while back without a fan fare. Is this another undocumented feature of Ozi?

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:57

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:57
Hi - I have been using OE for nearly 11 years - not sure at what point it was introduced or if its been there all along. It is documented in the help file - but good luck finding it - it is under Hints Tips and FAQ's - Special Keys and Stuff. It rates as Stuff - where its states

"Position Display Right click on the position display and alternate grid display (above the map) to change the display format. These changes are not remembered the next time Oziexplorer is run, use the configuration to do this."

So changing it in configuration like you suggested is better option in some circumstances otherwise you would have to change it to your preferred system each time you fire up OziExplorer.

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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:16

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:16
Hello Greg

Thanks for that. I was hoping that you would be lurking somewhere....LOL

All this info is good. I have been using Ozi for 7 years and still only know about 10% of it. This is because I only need specific data.
When on the fly most of my time is spent looking where to put the wheels next :-)


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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:55

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:55
Willem

If it helps any -

The main Datums used in Australia are AGD66, GDA94,WGS84.

Most older maps will use AGD66 while newer maps (about 1999 onwards) use GDA94.

The difference between AGD66 and GDA94 is about 204meters at Adelaide. The same point on AGD66 is about 200 metres north east on a GDA94 map.

GDA94 and WGS84 are very close (only centimetres) so can be taken as the same.

The GPS and Map have to use the same datum to get accuracy. One of the problems of some mosiac maps is that you can get different datums on different maps. Latest versions of mosiacs usually have this corrected.

The best default to use is WGS84 (which is standard on most GPS) and GDA94 maps which most new ones are.

Doesn't solve your problem but may help explain what the problem is.

Generally find when driving that 200 yards is accurate enough to find correct turnoff. (but have to be wary where mutiple roads are very close together. But after choosing one and checking down the track usually confirms whether it was right or wrong.

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Follow Up By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:02

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:02
Willem

I found this book to be very informative.

GPS Vehicle Navigation

Alan
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:22

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:22
Thanks Alan

I will have a look.


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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 19:27

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 19:27
That book is priceless and available in the EO shop too. Its a great resource, make sure you get the current version its been updated around 12 months ago.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:22

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:22
If you 'right' click on the Lat/Long info (top/left) on the map window in OziExplorer- it will give you the options...
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:27

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:27
Now why didn't I think of that? Must be having a brain fade.

Thanks for your help.


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Reply By: festy - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:52

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 10:52
In Ozi, just right-click up the top-left where it shows the coordinates, and you can choose between DMS, DM.M and DD.

FYI - your points in Hema and Google Earth are only about 25m apart, but your Ozi point is about 130m out.
That represents about 4 pixels on a Natmap 1:250k map, so that's pretty good if you're using a large scale map.
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Reply By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:16

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 13:16
I often wonder why people give the same answer 2-4 times in a thread,Are they in such a hurry to help (its understandable) or just read the initial question and just reply without looking at the numerous replies beforehand...

or do i look at it like this ,if there is 3-4 of the same answer in a thread i should deem it to be the right answer...

or do i need to ask the audience.


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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 17:43

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 17:43
Same replies entered at 9:22, 9:31 & 9:52.

Some people might be a bit slower at typing than others :o)
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 18:19

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 18:19
I'd rather get a useful answer 10 times than a BS answer once.

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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 19:12

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 19:12
Hi - think I was second in line - had to do a few screen captures and then type in some text, then reduce image pixels, then upload pic (twice cause I stuffed up the first time). May have gone and had a wee in there somewhere as well.

Maybe I should have had another look see prior to posting but dont see it as being to much of a big deal. After all, its just for fun isnt it - or are we suppose to be serious about this? Its only a 4WD/Camping/Caravaning forum. Skip repeat replies and move on - easy.

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Follow Up By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 21:37

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 21:37
****May have gone and had a wee in there somewhere as well. ***

lmao @ Explorer...

I think Geoff summed it up...



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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 21:49

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 21:49
That's the spirit.
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Follow Up By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 06:59

Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 06:59
Good on all three of you for posting it...

I've been using Ozi explorer for, must be 10 years, and didn't know that one...


Cool!


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Follow Up By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:41

Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 09:41
Agree with P7, good to see a few answers, and the effort some people put into the answer is amazing.
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Reply By: Topcat (WA) - Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 23:45

Tuesday, Feb 17, 2009 at 23:45
Hi Willem,
You can also change the google trig point reference read out to read to same as OziExplorer by opening the 'Tools' section on the Google Earth toothbar, selecting 'Options' then in the 'Show Lat/Long' window select what readout out you want. It gives you all the readouts including UTM. Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 08:35

Wednesday, Feb 18, 2009 at 08:35
Thanks Topcat

Life is a learning curve..lol.

Been using computers for 20 years plus and only recently learned to use the Right Click of the mouse. The younger generations find it easier to negotiate their way around a computer while some of us senior citz have to be taught the hard way :-)

This forum is great for learning new tricks!

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