Burdiken Falls dam in full flight

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For those who have been to the dam you will be able to appricate this awesome site. Knowing how far it is to the bottom of the wall and the road you drive over, makes you realise what nature is capable off.

The photos were taken from an aerial spraying chooper with the river running 6 metres + over the wall.

Have a good one
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Reply By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 09:00

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 09:00
Wow!
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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 09:08

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 09:08
Geez. Thats some water.

If only a couple of tankfulls of that could come our way :-)

4mm of rain since New Year. As dry as.

Nature holds the upper hand in th scheme of things.

Thanks for posting the pics


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Follow Up By: Member - Traveller (QLD) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 09:24

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 09:24
Crikey Willem, and I was griping about our 23 mm for the year!!

Your need is greater that ours, old mate!

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - George (WA) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 16:15

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 16:15
Uhhh, nothing yet so far this year where we are. The rain gauge has been dry since 9/12/08 Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Kevin J (Sunshine Coa - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:15

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:15
20' over the wall!! Amounts to 10,200,000 litres per sec.

Now how about a 2.5m pipline south.

Utilise the out of work mining equipment and people.

Utilise our Iron ore.

Revitalise our steel industry.

Open up other areas along the way.

Drought proof a big section of Australia.

Just imagine if this amount of water was taken to the top of the Darling system. Might even stop the stupidity of suggesting that a cotton farm is stealing the water. Look where it gets held up at Minindee.

Not my idea. A Mr Bradfield suggested this a century ago.

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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:36

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:36
Enough of this sort of talk Kevin, go and wash your mouth out with soap & water.

If there is much more of this sort of logical talk some trouble maker will want to start a movement to demand that the Government do something !

They can run a gas or oil pipe across half the country but don't seem very interested in a water pipe do they ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:37

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:37
The afore-mentioned Mr Bradfield was certainly no fool! (and neither was his son, it would seem)...

The Bradfield Scheme


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Follow Up By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 15:48

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 15:48
Now that sounds like a "Stimulus Package"!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 22:28

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 22:28
The greenies probably wouldn't allow the water diverted from the Burdekin Delta and ultimately the Great Barrier Reef.

Sounds good in theory, just won't work in practice.

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Follow Up By: Member - Kevin J (Sunshine Coa - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 22:58

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 22:58
Two of the main issues in the original debate it seems were that any diversion would decrease the sea levels and the Great Barrier Reef need the nutrients which flowed from the rivers.
Both these are still issues with the greenies but from a reverse perspective since Global Warming will increase the sea levels and the discharge is ruining the reef.
So tell me !!

Management is the answer since there does need to be some flow to the sea to maintain the balance. The Burdekin River only ever ran during the 'wet' season.

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Reply By: Member - Heather G (NSW) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:41

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:41
This is what it looked like last June when we were there. Amazing to see it in your pics, as we drove across the bottom of the wall.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:11

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:11
You better make sure you have a snorkel now.

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Reply By: Member - Kevin J (Sunshine Coa - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 13:59

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 13:59
It seems that plans have been drawn to raise the existing wall by 6m but friends in the north seem to think that it will only be raised 3m and only when there is money available. You must remember that this dam is in Nth Queensland and not the Sth East corner. We are told that water is money in the bank and yet we do nothing to save what we are given.

A couple of interesting things which were not around when Bradfield made his proposal are:
1. The number of very big holes being dug in central Queensland. The miners are required to back fill and restore the areas which is a bit of a problem when you have removed millions of tonnes of the coal and even after backfill the area remains somewhat degraded anyway. Why not insist that some of the mines be left as dams with the mining Coys responsible for building the walls etc.
2. The miners have draglines which can shift 200 tonne ?? in a bite
Digging a trench would be childs play.

Even if the scheme was only taken part way in the immediate period it could always be a work in progress.

Next I will sit and contemplate my navel and count my toes..

Kevin J

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Reply By: Off-track - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 15:00

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 15:00
Some quick info;

Burdekin Dam (or Burdekin Falls Dam) is located on the Burdekin River in Queensland, Australia south west of Ayr, and Home Hill. It was completed by Leighton Holdings [2] in 1987 and is the largest dam in the state, with a capacity four times that of Sydney Harbour.

The Dam wall is 876 metres long and has a 504 metre spill way, and a drop of 37 metres. The body of water held by the dam is also known as Lake Dalrymple. It holds 1,860,000 megalitres at full capacity.


504m spillway gives an appreciation of how big this is. We went down there a few weekends ago when there was about 3.5m above the spillway and it was an awesome, and deafening, sight. 6m, well that's unreal.

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Reply By: CJ - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 17:37

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 17:37
there is enough water going over the wall to fill ALL of SE Qld dams in less than Four Days!

CJ
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Reply By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 18:07

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 18:07
Local paper yesterday realy nicked me off. They actually printed some one saying it would cost too much money and was sick of the debate. I shut the paper and didn't read the rest. How dare they print it. A while ago I watched on TV. Over 100 years ago they built a pipeline from Perth to Coolgardie in which 60% still remains. They didn't have drag lines at their dispense. They didn't have dump trucks either just plain damn hard work. There are mining giants laying off experienced folk cant the Gov and mines work together on this. Toowoomba on 9% have not been able to use the garden hose for 5 years. I know down south have had less rain and need the water desperately. If they can send money over seas pay Gov officials life long pensions oh ah they recond they earn it, a truck driver and stockmen work harder than them.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 23:01

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 23:01
Until you start looking at the figures, many will not appreciate the true costs to build something as you envisage, let alone the logistical nightmare and paperwork involved. I included some estimates some time back in this forum for rough costs to move water, and the cost/benefit is just not there. Other alternatives are far cheaper and quicker to implement than this grand scheme. It just requires "someone" to sign the dotted line on something to help the situation.

Yes it will costs heaps (in the billions) to get water to Toowoomba for instance, at the top of a catchment. The range crossing has a better chance of ever happening than largescale piping of water South.

Andrew
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:54

Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 11:54
Imagine how the Darling (and the bottom end of the Murray) would look if some of this "run off" was "run off" into this river system?

There could be a Cubby station every couple of hundred kilometeres with this sort of run off.

Cheers, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 17:37

Sunday, Feb 22, 2009 at 17:37
Trevor,

I am currently trying to organise a tour of Cubbie for the St George Gathering....mainly for the interest of the southerners attending.

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Reply By: Rockape - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 18:46

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 18:46
Just a note about the Burdekin River.

In the mid 1600's it was dry for 13 yrs, we tend to believe we can drought proof Aussie, all I will say, is that in the late 1800's there was a proposal to irrigate the Murray/Darling system, the consensus was if you do that ,you will increase the salinity in the river systems, to a point that the land will be useless.

Off course the decision was made to go ahead with the scheme some years later.

We can all see the result of what happened.

It is the way we use the water we have to get the smarts on

Have a good one all!!!!!! and if you can't I can recommend an excellent product to change that, Bundy Rum, as long as you don't want to take on Australia/The World or anyother big place.
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Reply By: Member - Joe F (WA) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 18:53

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 18:53
G'day Rockape and Heather G

Both sets of images are brilliant, it brings back memories of toiling away on the construction phase of the " DAM " dam, in the mid 1980's. With Walter Wright International, who had a couple of 200ton crawler cranes on site.

Thanks for the memories.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 20:01

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 20:01
Joe,
good to see you got a kick out of the photo's

Walter Wrights are still around and have a couple of cranes on our new bridge in Mackay.

Have a good one
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 21:46

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 21:46
Joe,

this will bring back some memories then.

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Cheers

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Follow Up By: Member - Joe F (WA) - Saturday, Feb 21, 2009 at 00:13

Saturday, Feb 21, 2009 at 00:13
G'day Richard and Rockape

Thanks again for the trip down memory lane, but I've had a flash back and it was nightmareish!!!

Wally Wrights still going and still in Mackay, I bet they are still in Presto Ave at the outer harbour?

Thanks again people.
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Saturday, Feb 21, 2009 at 07:04

Saturday, Feb 21, 2009 at 07:04
Joe,
Wally's have shifted out to Paget
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Reply By: rumpig - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 22:09

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 22:09
here's a couple more pics to help put it in perspective.



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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 22:10

Friday, Feb 20, 2009 at 22:10
I have (in an email sent to me a couple of weeks ago) some pics taken at Home Hill on Feb 6

I have no idea how to put 'em up here, so if someone would like to put 'em up, MM me with your email addy, and I'll forward 'em to ya... TIA

Regards, Ed C

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