Climb the Rock
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Member - Doug T (NT)
Who might have some stories on Climbing Ayres
Rock, I done it 4 times , 66, 68, 83, and 86, I wouldn't attempt it now , my old knees would give out on me ,
The first time in 66 I met a bloke with a Landcruiser , he had a Bicycle with him and took it to the top , he got a mention in the
Alice Springs newspaper for having the first bike on top of
the rock, I even remember his name , Arnold Walker from
Newcastle, I did have a photo of his 4x4 but it has long been lost, If only we had Digital Cameras then, I often wonder if that entry Arch is still standing.
I think this
rock might be my limit now .. Google Earth
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Reply By: Member - vivien C (VIC) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:48
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:48
Hello Doug,
Nowhere near as early as you. I first climbed in 1989, then again in 1991, 1994 and 2006.
No stories really except saw a man so afraid that when he got to the top of the chain he straddled it and came down that way. Other than that just the usual school trip kids going way too far away from the chain. That made me glad that I was with my kids when they climbed.
Viv
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:52
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:52
Vivien
Each group of kids should be shown the Plaques of those who have died there and told ....Do the right thing or your's will be next .
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky, the "Mexican"- Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 03:33
Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 03:33
Carefull Viv... !
That old man, might be me in 4 months
hehehehehehe
LOL
Bucky
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Reply By: Member - Footloose - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:49
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 11:49
The old arch has gone, replaced no doubt by the golden "pay here" arches.
Knew a guy who had a video of a trail bike going up and down
the rock...hard to imagine and harder not to think how thoughtless it must have been.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:03
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:03
When i was a
young child (not sure of what year - probably mid 1950s) our single neighbour sold his
farm to go touring. He purchased a Landrover and a small caravan, and together with his dog spent many years doing laps of Australia, turning up every couple of years with a whole new box of slides to show us. A great favourite (his and
mine) was Ayres
Rock. It was a rough track, so he used to leave the caravan in Alice and go to
the rock and stay for a couple of weeks, photographing its many colours. I don't think he ever saw another person while out there. He also went on the the Olgas. Of all his photos, this area was the most fascinating to me. I don't recall him even taking of climbing
the rock.
It took me around 50 years to realise my ambition of seeing
the rock - but i did not do the climb. His slides and travellers tales set it in my mind a determination to caravan around Australia some day.
Motherhen
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Reply By: Rainman WA - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:50
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:50
I climbed
the rock twice in one day (2004), once with my daughter, the second time with my son after the wind had dropped.
The next time we were there (2005), we spent several hours walking through the Olgas before heading across to
the rock. The three of us got to the top of the chain before I had to pack it in or they would have been carting me off in a box.
Needless to say, my son and daughter still give me a hard time about it.
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Reply By: A J - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:55
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:55
Doug T (NT)
First climbed
the rock in 1979 again in 1986, 1992 and 2003.
Have no stories to tell just that it gets steeper and higher each time I climb it.
A J
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:55
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 12:55
Climbed it first in 1967.
Drove in through those gates in a Mini 850.
Climbed again a couple of times in the 70s. Saw the water pouring off in 1974(?). Unbelievable!
Last climbed in 2003, purely as proof to myself after nearly losing a leg in 2001.
My father climbed before dawn in 1953(?) and took a
pic with the shadow poking up above the horizon. There were small fish swimming in pools on the top.
It does not matter how many times I see it, it always impresses, although, I reccon the old approach was better?
Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 Motorhome
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 13:23
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 13:23
I was up there early Sep. last year. Was interesting to see heaps of school kids at the top and nearly every one of them with a cell phone glued to their ear "Guess where I am Mum" :-))
I was talking to couple with their 5 & 7 year old girls up there ! No problems, just a stroll in the park.
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Reply By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 13:47
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 13:47
Doug. A bit of a change here. I have never climbed
the rock, drove past but never went in, we have admired it from afar. We were told that the owners do not like you climbing it so we have stayed away.
So is that true?
If not, Next time we are that way do you recommend it?
Cheers Tony
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 13:51
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 13:51
Tony
GO FOR IT.. 1000s of others do.
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Follow Up By: Member - Paul S (VIC) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:39
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:39
G'day Tony,
Can't say I agree with Doug on this one. My wife and I visited
the rock last year and respected the traditional owners' strong request that, apart from their own ceremonial events, nobody climb.
Instead, we walked the complete perimeter, part way with a Parks guide and learnt much about the local indegenous culture.
1000s may climb it, but not this one.
Cheers,
Paul
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 15:35
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 15:35
After paying $50.00 entry fee ...... We climbed it!
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Follow Up By: Jayk At - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:57
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:57
I won't climb up the walls of St Mary's Cathedral, and I won't climb Uluru.
I have no religion either, but I do respect those who do.
Jeff
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 00:09
Monday, Mar 02, 2009 at 00:09
Each to their own but my opinion is that if it was that important to the traditional owners then nobody would be allowed to climb.
Maybe chasing the tourism dollars, I dunno.
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Follow Up By: Pyalong - Wednesday, Mar 04, 2009 at 09:15
Wednesday, Mar 04, 2009 at 09:15
They wanted my money to experience it, and was happy to pay....so my family experienced it....and climbed (an underrated climb it is too!). Back at the park those bearing the 'did not climb' tshirts seem to all have the same look on their face....which said....I looked at it, but did not experienced it. It is not an easy climb by any means, esp with kids....but
well worth the 'experience'. Despite the excuses the 'did not climb' tshirt wearers will try to enjoin on you.
Mick.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:06
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:06
Sorry all for the typo error
ies on Climbing Ayres
Rock, Ayers
Rock looks a little better,
Thanks Viv .
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:18
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:18
Hi Doug,
My Mum took me on a camping trip on a Redline Bus when I was 12 - I think we went to Ayers
Rock in 1961.
There was NOTHING there in those days. We climbed
the rock and it was a snack. I remember though, being petrified coming down and came down most of the way on my arse. As there was no chain fence then and
the rock is so smooth and bare, I think I was worried about slipping not stopping till I hit the bottom.
We spent a full day inspecting
the caves around the base of
the rock. I went back there with my kids ten years ago and much of the base is now fenced off.
Cheers,
Willie.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:25
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:25
Willie
You have a point there.... yes you do stop when you hit the bottom,
I had a photo of my Landrover parked in that
cave in 68 , it's gone too ,dunno what happened to some of my good Pics ,
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Reply By: Member - Lance S (VIC) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:39
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:39
I first climbed it as a 10 year old in '74 and then in 2004 with my eldest daughter, will have to do it again with my other 2 kids. I remember growling at 2
young boys, about 12, running up
the rock right near the edge, they soon came closer to the chain, there parents were about 20 metres behind them, great parenting. I also saw 4 Asians who dropped there camera into what you call a small
gorge, 10-15 drop, they wanted to try and climb down this very steep edge to get there $300 camera, myself and a number of others said "don't be a b----y idiot, they soon came to there senses and left the camera there.
cheers,
Lance
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Reply By: peterll - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:42
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 14:42
I sat and wasn't going to say too much about this post but it is one of those things that make me wonder about the changes made over the years of travelling and how I have witnessed, often first hand, the lack of respect for so many ways of life and the people who live in the far flung corners of my country.
Like Tony B..I have driven passed..in..around..even camped when it was allowed way back when at Ayres
Rock / Uluru.
I never did climb...the early 70's was my first time there and we met an older Aboriginal man who told of how his people saw
the rock as something sacred and pointed to the tourists climbing..he was almost in tears.
That got me to thinking ..would I climb on the roof of the Vatican or St Pauls Cathedal..shinny up the face of St Mary's..no I am not religious as such..but some
places deserve respect.
And yet the last trip through that part of the country I got to speaking with both
young and old Aboriginal people.
The old continue to ask that people have respect and not climb..the younger stand at the tourist centre collecting money..same people...two different ideas on just how to treat
the rock.
I suppose one answer is for the NP and Aboriginal people to take down the chain..fence
the rock off completely due to the number of people killed each year climbing.
They closed or suggested closing the Simpson during summer after less people died..so why not
the rock as
well.
I am no apologist for the "traditional owners" indeed quite proud of my own culture..but sometimes I come across things and ways in other cultures that really question the term 'Respect'
While I am on a roll and may as
well take 'flack' for a few things at once..
Why is that some city folks see it as there right to abuse those who run roadhouses or campgrounds if they are closed before the tourist arrives..or the pie is not to their liking or the price of diesel is higher than it is in Melblourne or
Sydney..the list could go on
Gets back to that lack of respect I guess.
My two cents worth
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:45
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:45
Why is it that they don't object to other conspicuous mountains being climbed ?
- Pigeon House
- Mt Warning
- The Castle
- Mt Kosciusko
- Mt
Wellington
- Mt Gan Gan
-
The Brothers
- Mt Gibraltar
Why aren't there movements to restrict these to traditional owners.
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 20:20
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 20:20
the rock itself is not nor ever has been sacred
parts of
the rock may be but they are
well sighned with threats of fines for photographing them
the climb itself interferes with no known sacred sites
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Reply By: happytravelers - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 15:47
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 15:47
G'day Doug
My wife and I last climbed
the rock in 93. When we got to the top there was a Japanese bloke by the
plaque at the top trying to tell us something while he was setting up a camera tripod. We couldn't understand him and left. As we had walked away a little distance, I happened to look back to see this bloke standing on top of the plinth, stark naked posing for a picture using a self timer on the camera tripod. It gave us a good laugh and the way the wind was blowing that day, probably gave him a chill in certain areas to, lol.
Thanks for posting the old photos.
Regards Jon
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 15:51
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 15:51
Geez your a meanie.. the least you could have done was offer to take the photo for him ,
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 15:57
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 15:57
I climbed
the Rock in 1963. Was touring in a VW beetle. Dirt road all the way from Alice.
No one was around
the rock and we approached
the rock and found a climbing route. On top we found a painted track so followed it down.
I don't have to not climb
the rock to respect aboriginal culture and ways. Bit like a Jew respecting a Catholic viewpoint without agreeing to it or complying with it.
Alan
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:48
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:48
There was a time when Protestants weren't allowed to go into a Catholic Church - we are more enlightened now.
You'd think that aboriginals would allow us into their sacred
places - we allow them into ours now.
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Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 16:51
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 16:51
Doug, judging by all the replies, I take it one cant drive up there.
Bummer........lol.
Cheers.....Lionel.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:50
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:50
I remember driving to the top Mt Kosciusko in 1968.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 17:00
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 17:00
Lionel
No ... no driving , My post was to get some people's experiences on the visit to
the Rock , like when, how long ago, I didn't really need to know the ethics about who owns it , what's right or wrong , to climb or not to climb , but ....oh
well it is freedom of speech I guess ... anyhow thanks to all who replied .
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony B (Malanda FNQ) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:28
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:28
Doug. i think thats what you got, a variety of experiences and opinions. Thats after all what makes our world.
There is a lot of
places in the world that would be good to look at but because of a belief or religion you are not supposed to enter the area.
People get a bit hot under the collar when it is an aborigine belief, for some funny reason, after all it is one of the oldest beliefs in the world so why should it not get respect?
Its not for me to decide who can or cant, but I can make the choice as per the owners request. Best of luck to all that make their choice.
Mine will be to walk around one day. Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Member - Royce- Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 17:26
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 17:26
At first I wondered about how the bloke with the landcruiser and bike got them to the top of the rock!
I've been up a few times.
Second last time [1994] saw an aboriginal family climbing!
Won't do it again, basically because the better experience is the trip around.
When I got to the top first time, I was amazed at the number of other rock structures not so different across the plains.
Hot day the first climb. Half way down we met an overweight American climbing. I told him there was a Coke machine at the top. ... He was so pleased. I didn't have the heart to explain Aussie humour!
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Reply By: Hunjy - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 17:35
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 17:35
Doug
I did an extension on a residence for a bloke who for a while was a forensic pathologist in
Darwin. He told me he did 19 trips to the rock to asertain the cause of death of people who the majority were trying to chase down their hat, then it got steeper and steeper..........
Mal
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 17:42
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 17:42
I also wonder how many of you looked SSE to the horizon and could see Mount Woodroffe,
South Australia's highest peak, at 1,435 metres and 130Klm away.
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Reply By: Member - Carl S (VIC) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 17:55
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 17:55
Just met someone who lost her Aunty( from England) who died on the rock in 63 (she was only 25) her Aunts
Plaque is one of only 5 still remaining at the site, very sad moment, having met the niece and taking a good look at the Rock I said no way, but the day will come very soon when climbing the Rock will be banned, so if you feel the need to do it then do it before its too late!
my 2 bobs worth.
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Follow Up By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:47
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:47
I doubt they will ban people from climbing it.They would loose millions in revenue at the "front "
gate as over half the people wouldnt pay to go in and not be able to climb it.
Ive been there 3 times and climbed it each time, my kids have climbed it twice.Great place, love it there.
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Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:40
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:40
G'day Doug and All.
I first climbed the rock in 1973. Back again in 82, 85, 93, 2005, 06 and 07. That's seven climbs and every time I swear I'll never do it again. Sucker. In '73 I remember an elderly tall, proud aboriginal chap emerging from the bush with his 2 women trailing behind carrying his spears,
woomera and two large boomerangs. He was wearing only an old pair of shorts and had the initiation scars across his chest. He stood outside the front of the store there without saying a word until the manager came out and they traded cash for the two boomerangs and a spear. Satisfied, the bloke signaled to the women and they all wandered back into the bush. Truly amazing. As kids we were gobsmacked.
Cheers Mick
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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:49
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:49
We were there in 1994.
Stood at the base.
Looked at the plaques to thos who died.
Assessed my physical capabilities.
Went into town and had a
beer and a bowl of chips instead.
Bought a badge that said "I did NOT climb Ayers Rock".
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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:53
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 18:53
Aboriginals want to ban us from their sacred sites . . . .
hmmm - I know what the response would be if anyone suggested banning aboriginals from europeans' sacred sites.
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Reply By: balko - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 19:34
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 19:34
I loved it. the place feels eerie heaps better than i expected and no i didn't climb it had our 4yo with us and was told by Rangers that heaps of full water bottles come bouncing down the
hill from weary walkers trying to put them in back packs and could knock a child off so better be safe than sorry. Balko
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Reply By: bgreeni - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 20:02
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 20:02
Been there twice. First time about 75. Flew a light aircraft from
Cloncurry for the May Day weekend. Flew to the Rock and back on the Sunday. Did not climb it as time was short and as I was flying did not want to be exhausted.
Second trip in mid 80's this time by road. Stayed overnight and climbed it that time. It was June and I remember what was a slight stone chip on the windscreen in the evening was long crack next morning due to the frost.
Will have a short stopover there in a few weeks when I fly
Perth - Ayres Rock -
Cairns.
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Reply By: RoyHarvey - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 21:20
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 21:20
Climbed the rock in 88 with my wife, 10 year old son & 8 year old daughter. We got a short way past the end of the chain and I noticed someone about 50 metres ahead drop a 2 litre bottle of drink.
As it started half rolling and half skidding toward us I bent ready to catch it. By the time it was half way to us, the plan changed to fending off a menacing projectile. Fortunately it veered to one side missing us by a metre or two.
No problem the rest of the way up, but as we approached the decent my daughter came to a stop declaring "I can't go down, it's too high, I don't like it!"
A short exchange of words and she wraps dad around her little finger, as she does to this day, and we both came down backwards every step to the chain.
Cheers Roy
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Reply By: Member - Scrubcat (VIC) - Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 23:07
Sunday, Mar 01, 2009 at 23:07
G`day Doug,
The only time I climbed it was in April 1964, there was no chain just a painted white line for a short part of the way up/down.
There was no plaques for those that had died while climbing that I recall.
There was a cairn made of stones at the top which had a plywood board with the largest pencil I had ever seen tied to it with string.It was impossible to find a
spot to write anything, you just wrote your name over someone else's.
The ranger had advised us the night before to wear "Desert Boots" and thick socks, (this was to save the skin on the knuckles of your toes when descending) and to begin the climb at daylight to avoid the heat.
I think the only fee we paid was 5 pound for the camp site, and that was for 4 of us, myself and 3 mates.
I hope to get back there this year but I wont be doing any climbing .
A good post Doug,
Scrubby.
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