Maxxis, Pirelli Scorpions, Toyo, Yokohama tyres

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I have read a lot of reports on this forum of the well known tyre brands, but am interested in hearing from anyone who has tried the less common (and less expensive!) tyres. We will have 2 sets of tyres - one lot on 18" rims for on-road use, and another set on 17" rims for our "off-road" trips, with 17" tyres also on our camper trailer. Realistically we will probably not be able to do heaps of km's on the 17" wheels, so are considering buying cheaper tyres that will do the job we want, but then if they perish after years with heaps of tread still on them, we won't have wasted so much money. I am interested in finding out how many km's people are getting from cheaper brands, and if they have had any problems with them.
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Reply By: Madfisher - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 15:06

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 15:06
Another well priced tyre you can add to your list is Kumho, we have had a great run from these. Considering the Yokos next as I have heard good things about them also, but dearer then Kumhos.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: LeanneW - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 15:12

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 15:12
Hi Pete,
How many km's did you get from your Kumho's?
Leanne
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 15:28

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 15:28
Good question Leanne,
Have yet to wear a set out. Had them on the 4 runner done about 35000ks and half worn when I sold it. The Paj had done about 30000ks also on Lts and appeared to be about a third worn. Have got the milder more road oriented ats on the Jack and they appear to be a third worn at 20000ks, but they are a softer compound and are very good on wet tar( very hard to lock up on wet tar)
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 16:31

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 16:31
I had kumho's on the GQ we had and had a very average run out of them KM wise, they were half gone by 25000km, popped a set os same size BFG's and sold them half worn at 60000km to the tyre place I bought them off
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 18:17

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 18:17
Bonz we have had both ats patterns and the milder at seems a softer compound. The LTs on Sals old Paj did not look like they would ever wear out. I did have a tram lining problem when mine where new so tempted to try yokos.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 18:26

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 18:26
well my preferred tyre now would be the MTZ's, BFG very close second followed by Cooper.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 17:37

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 17:37
i had a set of Yoko H/T on my Cruiser when I got it.
2 were stuffed after 30,000.
The other 2 will be Ok for spares.
Admittedly a lot of city driving with lots of small roundabouts


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Reply By: Member - The Parts Guy (SA) - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 18:12

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 18:12
"probably not be able to do heaps of km's on the 17" wheels, so are considering buying cheaper tyres"

I went with Toyo Open Country on my last vehicle, depending on the profile some are considered a passenger tyre and a different from their full size cousin. (I didn't realise this at the time) Mine were fitted to a KJ Jeep Cherokee and were an oddball size.
We drove up the Birdsville track 1 1/2 times after two punctures in my LHR when the other vehicles I travelled with had had none, I began to wonder about my choice and if not replacing them with the quick wearing Coopers was a good ideaImage Could Not Be Found. Then there was a third puncture and subsequent blow out.
Once back to Adelaide I did a close inspection of the tyres and everyone had hairline cracks through the wall of the tyre, when deflated these cracks were actually splits right through the casing. I am told by a local tyre expert it was caused by the constant corrugations of the track.
Perhaps "Around Town" would have been a better description for these tyres as they were clearly not up to there name. In my humble opinion I would spend the money on tyres you were going to use on the dirt and save on the road tyres.

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Follow Up By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 22:08

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 22:08
It is difficult to tell from a photo, but I would have loved the opportunity to inspect this tyre. That photo looks to me like a tyre that suffered a tread puncture resulting in a casing failure due to deflation. Many time people see sidewall damage and assume that was the cause, but in fact it is the symptom of an earlier tread area puncture, often due to running too high a pressure for the conditions, or traveling too fast.
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Follow Up By: Member - The Parts Guy (SA) - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 22:25

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 22:25
We were travelling at 80k tops on the dirt,( we were overtaken reguarly) 28lb in front and rear tyres. This tyre blew out, could not find any tread puncture, that is not to say there wasn't, but the other three had fractures in the sidewall and only one of those had been previosly punctured and in my opinion would have ended up the same way as this one had we continued travelling.
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Follow Up By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 07:44

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 07:44
That is very interesting, given my positive experience with them for many years. I wonder did you check the date of manufacture which appears as a 4 digit code on the side of the tyre shwoing week and year eg. 1408 means 14th week of 2008. Would be interesting to know. I've been running the 16 inch OPATS now since 2003 doing considerable outback miles in very rough terrain. Last year the corrugations on the Gunbarrell and Canning caused the chassis of my Nisssan to break. After completing the GB and CSR, I drove 3500 km with no rear suspension (bush chassis repair) with just 15 psi in the tyres. The tyres are still on the vehicle and will be used for the 2009 season beginning May. Given my experience to date, I expect to have them complete this year's season which includes a 4 corners tour, Simpson, Hay River, Across the top Cairns to Broome, and two laps of the Kimberley
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Follow Up By: Member - The Parts Guy (SA) - Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 18:41

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 18:41
No I haven’t checked the manufacture date on the tyre, but don’t see that being the issue. I don’t have the vehicle or the tyres anymore the car didn’t make it back from that trip.
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I am now paranoid about tyres and constantly checking pressures and wear patterns.
I believe the problem is in the size I had for the Jeep and not all Open Country Toyo’s are created equal and that was the point I was trying to make, and that is why I made the comment early in my post re size. The tyre size was an oddball profile and as I discovered later they were classed as a passenger tyre not a light truck.

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Follow Up By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 19:21

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 19:21
Yes I am sure you must be correct re the odd size. I was suggesting the tyres were too old, but not likely if 17inch.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:13

Saturday, Mar 21, 2009 at 22:13
Maxxis: haven't heard a bad word.
Scorpions: Good bitumen tyre. Sidewalls thin.
Toyo: Sidewall damage is common - broken cords etc. One friend had the 17" on a prado and came back from a Flinders trip with 3 dead tyres from sidewall punctures.
Yohohama: No experience and haven't known anyone who uses them.

I'd give Maxxis a go.
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Reply By: Dave Thomson - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:03

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 14:03
Can highly recomend the Maxxis A/T s so good I'll be having the same again when its time,
regards,
dave
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Follow Up By: LeanneW - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 21:43

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 21:43
Hi Dave,
How many km's do you get from a set? Have you had any problems with them at all?
Thanks for your contribution.
Leanne
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Reply By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 22:04

Sunday, Mar 22, 2009 at 22:04
I run Toyo OPAT LT, I used to run Toyo OPAT Passenger. Sidewall punctures for me are as rare as rocking horse s***. I do two seasons of off-road. That is typically 1 Simpson Desert crossing, 1 Hay River, 3 Cape York, 1 Gun-barrel and Canning followed by 1 Simpson 1 Hay River, 2 Kimberley and 2 Cape York. I average 1 puncture per year, almost always in the tread unless I do something stupid like drive over a stump.

For the value I find them unbeatable
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Follow Up By: Dave Thomson - Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 19:00

Monday, Mar 23, 2009 at 19:00
Leanne about 70,000 is average depending on useage more if your kind to them, at $180.00 a pop would be the best value around I'd say,
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Dave
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