Daylight savings in winter instead of summer

Having lived in Northern QLD let me say, Brisbane might be able to handle it, but the rest of QLD wouldn't have a bar of it.

It would reignite the old debate of creating another state North of Mackay.

The whole silly thing goes back to the time of Bjelke-Peterson. Joh dug in and refused to fall into line with rest of eastern Australia. It was all about "we're Queenslanders and we do what we like". It was more about State parochialism than anything else and still is to this day.

One day, maybe, as the older generation dies off thinking will change. But I doubt it. It is almost an inherited way of thinking.

I was in QLD in 91 when the referendum took place. On the night of the referendum I was at a BBQ and all the blokes we throwing out their chests saying "I voted NO, I did the right thing by QLD".

The strange thing is the further North you go, the earlier it gets dark, so those in the North stand to benefit more than Southerners.

Still, it's a democracy and the people of QLD have spoken, numerous times.

Cheers,

Jim.

The reason Joh didn't want daylight saving was, he reckoned the sun shone out his ass and he wasn't getting up an hour earlier for anyone.

Think the suggestion is moving the clock forward an hour, not moving it back an hour as for daylight saving. It is a good idea.

Qld is 1000k to 5000k north of Melbourne, so different situation.
Moving the clock forward means we get to enjoy the cool of the evening after sunset, and the heat of the day is gone/going.

Melbourne is as far west as Winton and Cunamulla, so what works/doesn't work on Melbourne does not apply to anything within 500k of the coast in Qld.

From memory, all the eastern states agreed on eastern standard time about 1875, and in the last 30 years every one wants to change. Took them 100 years to work out they didn't like it. :o)
Qld is sticking to the agreement.

It's a shame Queensland won't do things for the sake of national unity.

When you go into Queensland you still have to set your watch back one hour . . . . . and your calendar back twenty years.

Yeah, isn't it great.
I really enjoyed life 20 years ago, and it is just getting better.

Why try to fix what's not broken, living on the QLD / NSW border is a bit of a nuisance, but hey my Cook likes it, she reckons the shops in NSW open earlier, and for me the Clubs open earlier also, and on New Years Eve we have two lots of Fireworks lol lol .

Mfewster
When I was in Perth for the beginning of the so called trial I had to put lights on and some mornings the heater when I got up the hour earlier to go do a job, and besides Oversize loads away from Cities cannot move until the sun has risen and stop at Sunset reguardless of time , To the transport Industry it is a hinderance,

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Where I am in SE Qld if there was daylight savings, I would be turning on the lights in the morning (I don't now). When I return from work I would be turning on the aircond for an hour more. To my logic that is not saving energy.

It's a shame NSW and Vic won't do things for the sake of national unity.
Every time I go down there I have to stuff around with the time on my watch, NEVER have to do that up here.

Pezza

Doug, I don't follow your argument. You say oversize transport have to move in daylight hours. So therefore, wouldn't adjusting time to start the working day closer to sunrise time, which is what daylight saving does, actually assist the transport industry? I can't see why you had to have lights on in the morning during the WA trial period, unless of course you were getting up particularly early. I would have thought sunrise in Perth mid summer would be around 6.30 AM, even when daylight savings was operating? This must be on the net somewhere.
I accept that there is not much reason for the northern states to use daylight savings, apart from minimizing time differentials between states. Given that we already have eastern, mid and western time zones to deal with, I don't think this is a big deal (Am I right in thinking that in Russia they have one time zone for the whole country?? That would be exciting)
One post has suggested that the original post was actually aiming at reversing daylight savings for the winter months in Qld by adding an hour in these months. I'm not familiar enough with daylight hours in Qld to know whether or not this would work. But them that measure power use down south seem to have no doubts that the power saving resulting from DS is significant.

Mfewster
I guess if your not involved in transport then I understand your confusion, Usually the driver will go very early and load the machine if it's on wheels or tracks, if not it could be loaded the afternoon before, so the driver will want to get moving at sunrise, and if it's in a city/suburbs the load has to be out of the metro area before 7am, reason being there is a curfew on oversize between 7am and 9am , those times differ for different cities, Sydney I think is between 6am and 10am , and the same again in the afternoons for peak traffic, So for me to be at .... say Rockingham in time to start the trip I had to arise at Orange Grove about 4am, that gave me time to have brekky and be there at or just before sunrise, Sunrise in Perth around 6:15 or thereabouts, on 27/11/08 it was 6:08am, so at the beginning and last days of DST loads do not have time to move before the curfew.
Now about the North of Australia at certain times of the year the day/night shadow will be on an angle from tip of Cape York to Ceduna in SA in the afternoon and of course the opposite angle in the mornings

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OK, I see what you mean about the road transport issue.
The point about the difference between northern and southern states is that the further away from the Equator you get, the longer the summer twilight period. This is why in Britain they have a couple of hours of daylight before and after sunrise and sunset. In the topend, sunrise/sunset is like turning on/off a lightswitch. In the southern states you get lots of daylight in relatively cool temperatures before the actual sunrise and again, more useable light after the sun has set. This is caused by light refraction in the atmosphere. As I said at the start, the issue is one of energy saving and it is more relevant to the southern states than those in the north. Whether or not you could get the same gains in Brisbane by adding the hour in winter, I really don't know, but at first sight it sounds plausible. Given the northerly position of the sun in the sky during winter, the angle could well cause enough diffraction to give the same effect.

Very few, if any countries in the tropical zone of the world between the tropics of cancer and capricorn have daylight saving.
Why should Qld?
Because the rest of the eastern states decided to change from the previously agreed EST to suit themselves, without consulting the other states?
But Qld cops the criticism because it stays with the previously agreed EST?
That's a bit hypocritical.

Mike R


The yanks can`t get the date right, they say the month before the day. Now we find most of Australia are doing the same.[ Shame upon them]

Just leave the time where it should be, and lets do something constructive for the country.

The best way to fix that problem is to amalgamate the eastern states and call them QUEENSLAND also, may as well as most of the southerners are moving up here.

By then the "Separate Far North Queensland" movement will have succeeded, and we won't be any better off in terms of unity.

Wayne Goss ballsed this whole thing up.

He introduced a 3 year trial in 1988 and then it went to referendum in 1991. The rule for ref's is the NO vote is to maintain the status quo. NO votes win in over 90% of ref's.

If he'd been smart he would have just introduced DS into law and then offered the opprtunity to get rid of it. In this case the question would have been "do you want to abolish DS?"

It didn't get rolled by all that much in 91, and if it had been done as I suggest, this whole fiasco would be history.

Jim.

when was the last time any reforendum got a yes vote.

if we had one on motor cars and electricity we wouldnt have that either.

if the GVT was smart they would go to an election proposing massive tax cuts
................................. then put them to a reforendum

What do you mean?

I thought we have 25 hours in a day with Daylight saving?!?!?!

Haha, can I save all my extra hours up and have a few days off in April???

What a bloody joke the whole thing is. Get up earlier you lazy ******* if you want some daylight to walk your dog.

G'day Pezza, i'm with you you on this one,this is one of the reasons i moved up hear 30 odd yrs ago, but it seems every year we on this forum have to have a bitch fight over who wants it & who does not.Why the F@#%^&*k for.
To those that have good on you all,& to those that have not we jump for joy.Hooray.
It is not ROCKET science, that if those that want it in a no DST state put your own clock forward & those that don't just leave as it is,simple EH.