Another one bites the dust!

Submitted: Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:55
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Well for those of us including myself at one stage who thought that Nissan had fixed the problems with the 3.0L Diesel by 2003, need to think again. My parents 2005 3.0L GU Patrol burnt a major hole in #2 piston last week. It only had 105,000km on the clock, was a manual and was meticulously looked after. This is despite the fact that mine was still going fine at 180,000 when I recently traded it on a Landcruiser.

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Reply By: Member - John (Vic) - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:02

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:02
No good mate. :-(

Its still the very same 3.0 litre engine since the original 2000 release.
Nothing has changed and the problems will continue as the fleet ages.

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 17:18

Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 17:18
Nothing has changed John? I beg to differ.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 20:24

Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 20:24
Pointless suggestion Geoff.

He only posts to gloat over Nissan failures or to chitcan anyone who would suggest there is a problem with a Toyota.

Very strange.

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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 20:39

Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 20:39
Geoff what has changed with these engines??
A shorter dip stick to increase oil capacity which has made no difference is about all I can think of??
I guess it is a change then but a pretty insignificant one at that.
They still fail in the same way they always have, nothing has changed.

I feel sorry for those that have and those that continue to suffer the financial and emotion stress associated with these failures.

Jim as usual your reply has no bearing on the subject and as always is a personal attack.
I guess that according to your theory anyone who posts comments about another brand differing to the one they own good, bad or indifferent is gloating??
Go back to sleep your a tiresome little boy.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 21:06

Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 21:06
Why so bitter?

Sad, very sad. I genuinely feel for you.

I hope it gets better, in time.





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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 21:09

Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 21:09
That'll do you two
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 21:27

Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 21:27
Bitter?? Who me??
Now thats a joke.
What planet do you live on Jim?

Your the sad one, its pretty clear you have certain personal issues and you must come to terms with the simple fact that your continued drinking and posting won't help.


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Reply By: Nugget6 - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:06

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:06
Sorry to hear that Snowy, I feel for your parents, mine blew 2 weeks ago and still trying to sort out what to do!
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:30

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:30
Thanks for letting us know Snowy - it all builds up a picture - I would expect that anyone with such a car would by now have taken steps to help against such an eventuality.

It can be a great car as long as that issue is covered.
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:33

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:33
Bad luck for them mate!, I just can't believe these motors are still been fitted to the patrols as we speak!!. Evidentley any loss of sales due to the reputaion of this engine hasn't been enough to worry Nissan to much, the other surprise is theres plenty of clued up guys out there now that know what areas of the motor can be improved to help stop detonation, and have done so, But have Nissan admitted design fault and brought a package out to help solve some of the probs that they must be aware of !!, Not that i v'e heard of.

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Follow Up By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:46

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:46
Axle

I think the diappointing part about it, is Nissan Australia's first response, "because it is out of warranty (by 4 weeks and 5,000km) we probably won't be able to help you".

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark G Gulmarrad - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:56

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 13:56
Snowy

that response sounds pretty familiar...they must have that one on on their email system as a computer generated response.
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Follow Up By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 14:26

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 14:26
Someone should organise a higher profile website designed at looking at all the faults,issue to do with the engines instead of having the information scattered over different parts of the web..

Would put a bit more pressure on them and there lame responses..

Although there is a site called notgoodenough.com.au


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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 15:50

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 15:50
It's a bull bleep response that does not reflect the law.

Your rights as a consumer are not exhausted by the end of the warranty period.

See the Fair Trading act in your State. An item has to be of merchantable quality. If the engine fault has been known about for years and Nissan did nothing to rectify it or warn owners you have a case to puruse them.
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Follow Up By: Sigmund - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 16:02

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 16:02
... spelling! " a case to pursue them" it should've been
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 19:36

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 19:36
Warfer,
There is.
COMPLAINTS CORNER (NISSAN)
COMPLAINTS CORNER(NAVARA)
The list goes on and on. Anyone contemplating buying a Nissan should spend the time to read each and every page before hand.
Nissan know they have problems, Big problems.
Head in the sand stuff.



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Follow Up By: Member - Warfer (VIC) - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 22:05

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 22:05
Thanks Jon will go have a good looksee...

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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 17:21

Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 17:21
Axle,

You mentioned "plenty of clued up guys out there now that know what areas of the motor can be improved to help stop detonation"

Just what are these things?

Below is mentioned an EGT and a Boost Gauge, what else is there?
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Reply By: APN - Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 16:31

Monday, Mar 30, 2009 at 16:31
Hey Snowy

Thats bad news

Jump accross and have a look at this link on the patrol4x4forum

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28687

This is what Mal posted

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Appear Nissan Australia IS now listening.

Following my 'blown' ZD30 (2005 GUIV) at Camooweal last October ...

Last November I wrote to my local MP complaining about the lack of confidence by owners of the Nissan ZD30 engine and the ad hoc manner of Nissan Australia in addressing subsequent claims for 'blown' engines. He wrote to Nissan's CEO and the reply was passed to me to contact Nissan's CRD. After much too'ing and fro'ing I am pleased to say that Nissan has paid 100% of my claim itemised below:
a. Pickering Nissan Mt Isa - $88 - to be told what I already knew.
b. Parry Nissan Townsville - $453.75 - To remove head and confirm blown pistons.
c. Engine Australia - Trade Price $1024.86 - ZD30 Engine Rebuild Kit.

Total Value of 3 Invoices - $1566.61

My advice to any other members (unfortunately) involved in having to make a claim is:
a. Register your claim with Nissan Australia CRD (crd@nissan.com.au or 1800 035 035) at your first opportunity and, if by phone, follow it up in writing.
b. DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. By that I mean keep yourself a chronological diary of everything that transpired. He said, I said, etc.
c. Follow up any verbal conversations with an email (or snail mail) advising CRD of your recollection of the conversation that took place.
d. Keep all receipts - to send copies to CRD when asked.
e. Be persistent and above all do NOT get abusive.
f. Stick to the facts.
g. BTW I drink XXXX

In fairness to Nissan, some of the stories I read in this and other forums about the manner in which some owners ABUSE these engines I don't blame Nissan in being sceptical in processing some of the 'out of warranty' claims.

Will I buy another Patrol? Sure I will. They are a great vehicle. Just make sure you fit an EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature) and Boost gauges. When your engine gets a little too hot; ease off on the throttle.

And I thank the members of this forum for their wealth of information.

Malcolm

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Hope it is of some help

Cheers

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Reply By: Leroy - Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 21:27

Wednesday, Apr 01, 2009 at 21:27
it is disappinting to hear the later motors blowing. I bought my 3.0l Patrol in '04 and it's still going strong. In hindsight maybe I should of borrowed the extra $6-7k at the time and bought a 4.2 but everyone has a budget. If it blows then I will buy a rebuild kit and do the work myself.
On another note, my BIL's neighbour's 3.0l motor just blew again. It had done just over 100k km's since the rebuild and the original motor had done less than 100k km's. It's with Nissan at the moment :(

There was a GU IV up a hill in Wonnangatta last year when I was there with a blown turbo. It was belllowing smoke. Guy was a mech. and he went back in with a new turbo!

So there are plenty of stories.... !!



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