Troopy - gear changing
Submitted: Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 02:31
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Phoenix Owners Group
Trucks a 2002 TD and has done 110,000k.
Recently noticed shifting up and down to 2nd is getting more difficult and it certainly doesn't like going into reverse.
Clutch adjustment at pedal looks to be close to it's maximum.
About to drive 5000ks across the middle from west to east and would really like to avoid transmission problems in the middle of nowhere.
Anyone familiar with this symptom?
John
Reply By: toyocrusa - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 06:50
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 06:50
Hi POG. If you are having trouble selecting reverse does that mean there is a crunching noise? If so I would suggest you have some sort of clutch problem where the clutch pressure plate is not releasing away from the clutch plate enough to clear it and allow freewheeling or the spigot bush/bearing is dragging. Sounds like you should get it looked at definately before heading off as it will only get worse. Regards,Bob.
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Follow Up By: Phoenix Owners Group - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:31
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:31
No crunching as such but it will drag the gears if I'm at all lazy with the clutch.
John
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 06:54
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 06:54
What oil are you running in the gearbox?
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Follow Up By: Phoenix Owners Group - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:38
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:38
Hi Phil
I threw in some Redline lightweight shockproof after someoone suggested to try that for the problem but as I suspected it didin't help.
John
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:02
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:02
I was crunching gears 3rd to 4th or 5th back to 4th and it had been getting gradually worse on my '04 Patrol. You would almost swear a g'box prob. I changed the oil (old oil was 40k km's anyway) for Castrol VMX 80 and it's like a different box!!
In saying that you will want to be sure that the clutch is fully disengaging.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 15:37
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 15:37
Yep thats what I was getting at. The favourite gearoil for these LandCruiser boxes (on the LCOOL site) is Castrol VMX-M, which is similar to VMX80, but changes a bit better again. I haven't heard of "Redline" oil.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 16:10
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 16:10
I think redline is the synthetic dear as poison stuff like $30/l !!
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 22:47
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 22:47
I'm not convinced about synthetics in gearboxes. Owner's experience favours VMX-M in Landcruiser gearboxes.
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Reply By: troopyman - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:54
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 08:54
Get a ruler and measure if the clutch pedal is around 181mm from the floor too the clutch pedal .
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Reply By: Member - William H (WA) - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:15
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:15
Good morning
John.
I have just went through this same thing with my Toyota, and had the clutch, and the pressure plate changed, also changed the spigot bearing, and a new thrust bearing came with the kit, so don't let them charge you for it,also i changed the slave cylinder and the master cylinder, all new and nothing will go wrong as you will be doing 5000ks across Australia, i would hate to stop out their some ware with clutch problems, the cost of getting towed back would cover the fitting of a new clutch, enjoy your trip.
Cheers for now...William H...Bunbury...WA.
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Follow Up By: Phoenix Owners Group - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:47
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:47
Thks William, problem sounds expensive?
Do you know why it occurs. Thought it would last longer than 110k.
John
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Follow Up By: Phoenix Owners Group - Saturday, Apr 04, 2009 at 01:48
Saturday, Apr 04, 2009 at 01:48
Like to say a big thanks for your help today Bill, much appreciated.
Hope to return the favour someday. Sounds like your mate can sort things out for me at a very reasonable price.
Many thanks again, owe you a beer.
John
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Reply By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:24
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 09:24
there is aproblem in the gear box ,the shaft between gear box and transfer case.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:04
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 12:04
That might be true if its a 1Hz with aftermarket turbo. But they had a different box and transfer on the factory turbo models.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 10:13
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 10:13
Put a tube of NULON in it as a first thing- made a big difference in my Troopy.. (just a suggestion)..
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Follow Up By: Phoenix Owners Group - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:50
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 11:50
Yes mechanic the other day mentioned to try Nulon and also in the engine.
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Reply By: Horacehighroller - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 13:33
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 13:33
John, the best way to
check wether it's an oil or clutch problem is to put it into reverse (with the engine running of course) then take it out of reverse but keep your foot firmly on the clutch. Then select reverse again.
If it goes in easy the second time there is NO clutch problem.
If it's "notchy" then the clutch is failing to fully dis-engage.
Peter
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Follow Up By: Phoenix Owners Group - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 14:41
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 14:41
OK, gave it a go.
What if it's "notchy" the first time? Went straight into reverse the second time holding the clutch firmly in.
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Follow Up By: Horacehighroller - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 20:14
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 20:14
If it's not notchy the second time then it's definitely NOT the clutch grabbing - so COULD be oil.
Is it worse when the oil is cold (first thing in the morning) by comparison with when it's nice & hot.
Peter
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Follow Up By: Horacehighroller - Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 20:28
Friday, Apr 03, 2009 at 20:28
Me again,
I re-read the posts and you mention being "lazy" with the clutch.
I suggest you re-do my "test" but after initially pushing the clutch all- the-way-in let it out 1 centimetre then select reverse/back to neutral/select reverse again.
Trial this at increasing height until it grinds the second time.
(you should get to 20-30mm minimum)
Peter
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