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Submitted: Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 07:39
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sad to see another accident on fraser and the lose of life. but what gets up my nose these troop carrier hire mobs advertise they can carry 11 people including driver plus put all their gear on racks on the roof. what a recipe for disaster,never mind speed limit wich the courier mail stats the limit is a 100 kpa which i always thought as 80kpa. tyre pressure and beach conditions load limits on the vechile. what the @#@#. what ever happend to duty of care and inform some of these people what these vechiles are capable of ,off road. been going to fraser for over 30 years thouht i have seen it all but just may be these hire vechile company have a little to answer for. i know you canot teach fools or learn how to handle a 4wd drive in 5 minutes but maybe a little knowledge may have saved a life.
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Reply By: time waster - Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 08:52

Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 08:52
Yes they just said on sunrise news 100kph speed limit from memory I thought 80 was the limit
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Follow Up By: redeye141 - Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:09

Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:09
Yep it was 80Km/h last week.

Maybe they just put it up for Sunrise and the Sunday Mail. As often happens you should not let facts interfere with a good story.

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Reply By: Lotzi - Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 08:55

Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 08:55
G'day Dags666

Been going to and worked on Fraser about the same time. You only have to be at River Heads as they load onto the barge.

I don't think it is so much the hire companies totally to blame, but I do think there should be an accredited driver on these trips.

I put it down to the usual profile ...
1. Age
2. Attitude
3. Experience
4. Distraction
5. Load
6. and maybe alcohol.

An accident can happen anywhere, with the above taken into account, it's just that Fraser throws up unfamiliar hazards that catch people out. Unfortunately leading to tragic results.

All the best
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Thoughtfully- Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 09:00

Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 09:00
Theres already a thread on this on here, but you are right on 2 counts 80k speed limit and the hire companies do have something to answer I believe
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Follow Up By: Mudjimba - Tuesday, Apr 21, 2009 at 20:19

Tuesday, Apr 21, 2009 at 20:19
I thought the same and anyone driving over 80kph last week was just careless.....BUT there was an interview on the local ABC radio and the guy from being interview said bucause it is a gazetted road the speed limit is 100kph unless other wise sign posted.........the recomended speed by the Parks and Wild Life is 80 on the beach and 35 on the inland tracks.
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Reply By: rumpig - Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 18:23

Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 18:23
i have been reading about this accident on a couple of different forums and also been discussing this with mates. one thing i said to my mates who are all quite experienced with regards to driving on Fraser Island was, "would you like to drive a troopcarrier loaded with 11 occupants and all of their camping gear up the beach like that?".
answer was same from each, "no way, it's to dangerous".
how can these inexperienced young drivers be expected to negotiate the island safely, when guys with alot more experience then them on this island wouldn't be keen to operate a vehicle under the same conditions that they do.
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Follow Up By: Ti Trol - Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 19:24

Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 19:24
There were 3 articles in the Sunday mail, 2 stating the speed limit is 100kph (including the banner headline which demanded it be lowered) and one with the correct 80 km/h limit. But honestly I wouldn't drive a troopy with 11 people on board and all their gear on the roof at 80km/h in a straight line on bitumen! What about the 3 ton GMV limit? IMHO the hire companies have got a lot to answer for!

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Follow Up By: Ti Trol - Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 20:18

Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 20:18
Have to correct myself here, according to Qld Transport, the definition of a car is: a vehicle not more than 4.5 t GVM built to carry not more than 12 adults including the driver. So its all legal!
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Follow Up By: Mudjimba - Tuesday, Apr 21, 2009 at 20:24

Tuesday, Apr 21, 2009 at 20:24
It may be legal........just but it's nuts! I also think a lot of the problem with injury in these vehilces is that the rear pax sit side ways...............just inmagin a sudden stop and and the head injuries.....let alone a roll over!
Oh...........and probable it would be agood idea if all the pax are in the vehicle..not hanging off the back while driving along the beach as we saw one group doing last week!
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Reply By: Member - Leigh (Vic) - Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 21:09

Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 21:09
Sadly this cost a couple of kids their futures and the families and friends a llifetime of grief. One only hopes this results in some strategies to reduce future occurances. Perhaps we could see some moderation of TV ads that suggest 4wd's are bullet proof and their owners are legends??
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Reply By: Lenticular - Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 22:32

Sunday, Apr 19, 2009 at 22:32
Just got back from Fraser this arvo after a week over there. Saw the fatal rolled Troopcarrier on a trayback truck going down the beach yesterday afternoon while at Eli Creek. This was actually a frequent sight- saw at least one other rolled Troopcarrier and a rolled Hilux dual cab in Happy Valley, both on tray back trucks.

The difference- people didn't die in these ones. Perhaps they need to keep a couple of the wrecks on public display at the barge landing points.

I agree with the points made above however- been visiting Fraser for over 30 years, and wouldn't dare drive one of those troopcarriers with 11 people and gear on top. Noted this year that every troopcarrier was full- 11 people. In earlier years, they rarely had the full 11. Many had 7 or 8.
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