Exciting Jeep-Renault link

Submitted: Monday, May 04, 2009 at 00:52
ThreadID: 68494 Views:2794 Replies:11 FollowUps:9
This Thread has been Archived
With the alliance of Chrysler and Renault, Jeep will no longer have to source its 2.8l turbo diesels from VM Motori in Italy and the 3,0 l TD from Daimler Benz in Germany, it will now have direct access to its own 3.0l TD motor inhouse, namely the one and only ZD30, hip hip hooray.
Would'nt that help Jeep from going bankrupt !!!!!
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: Willem - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 06:43

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 06:43
Chrysler and FIAT not Renault. The latter is the majority shareholder in Nissan
AnswerID: 363072

Reply By: Member - Tony & Julie (Malanda - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 07:26

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 07:26
Chrysler & Fiat
AnswerID: 363076

Reply By: puttputt - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:22

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:22
Oops, sorry, I have asked moderator to delete this thread.
AnswerID: 363098

Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 10:49

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 10:49
why? because you stuffed up? LOL

Andrew
0
FollowupID: 630759

Reply By: OzTroopy - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:29

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:29
Lots of confusion over chrysler merge in the past 12mnths .... the Fiat one is the final result ... so far ......

Renault and Jeep had their time together back in the eighties - with the 25yr production run of the XJ - which chrysler got the benefit of by buying in at the time.

Unlike Nissan tho, the XJ never had a renault powerplant ... would have thought there was a lesson there ... lol

AnswerID: 363101

Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 11:30

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 11:30
I'm puzzled at this Chrysler - FIAT marraige; as little as about 5 years ago, FIAT were burdened with a 25m Euro debt, and GM were being forced into an option to buy 25% of FIAT, threatening then to make GM junk bonds.
Don't know how FIAT have come out of that one in this day and age.
0
FollowupID: 630764

Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 19:19

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 19:19
joc45
Mafia money laundering
Cheers Colin LOL
0
FollowupID: 631023

Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 11:38

Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 11:38
Hi Colin,
More info to hand;
it turns out 30% owner Gianni Agnelli's grandson took over the running of FIAT when Agnelli died in the early 2000's, and promptly sent it into the red big time. Since 2004, an Italian-Canadian wizz-kid Sergio Marchionne has brought FIAT back from the abyss to become a very profitable company.
(this is not a mafia press release ;o)
cheers,
Gerry
0
FollowupID: 631137

Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:37

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:37
I would have thought that engines weren't the main jeep need. They seem to make stuff for the weekend warrior rather than the kind of longhaul. heavy duty off road needed in Oz. Different. chassis, bodies seem to me to be more needed than new engines.
AnswerID: 363103

Follow Up By: P7OFFROAD Accredited Driver Training - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:45

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:45
probably a fair enough observation, but the market is very diverse nowadays.

Our 'family car' is a 97 Diesel Cherokee, and while it doesn't see as much offroad activity as the 'company car' it is still a solid, reliable unit (and more fun to drive than the Pootrol).

We see an extraordinary number of new and near new Jeeps on our courses... (Prados being by far the most common vehicle we see however) but i would imagine that in terms of total sales, that Jeeps would be over represented in our clients. That says a couple of things to a skilled social marketer or demographer I suppose...

I've always liked Jeeps of course, so might be biased... I guess that there is just such a range of needs nowadays, and the market sector that just wants out and out ability and reliability, is a very small percentage... ah well, I miss my old 2H troopy...


Hell, we are considering a H3 Hummer at the moment... ;-)


cheers

Dave
0
FollowupID: 630746

Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 10:28

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 10:28
Thats almost a pretty fair statement mfewster .... untill you take into account the market Jeep models were aimed at.

Essentially, Jeep have been a midrange vehicle since the early 80s ... as in the US - if someone wants a "longhauler" they simply went out and bought such a vehicle i.e. F250 / Suburban etc ... or even one of those winnebago things.

Jeep has always been an upgradeable vehicle so initial production component quality is of an "adequate" nature IMHO - its here that govt regs cause issues in regards to changing specs from that supplied ... and Im talking brakes/driveline components ... not six story suspension lifts needing staircases for access.

Jeep and even LR continued to fill the ... basic swb 4x4 gap after toyo/niss decided they couldnt be bothered to offer Aust a full range of models.

Jeep 4.0l XJs gave the midrange SUV market outstanding offroad ability and a real sized engine that didnt need to scream its tits off to get anywhere or do anything.

If Jeep had been allowed to build XJs here in Aust back in the 80s then it may have developed into an even better vehicle than what it was ... R&D here (longhaul) was prevented by OUR govt ... not a Jeep failing.

Post millenium Jeeps are "chryslers" .... Basically a whole new vehicle and style some of which are only 3yrs old ... Comparing them against brands and models ... available in this country for nearly 60yrs is a bit biased.

Looking at how many "new style" 4dr JKs and Commanders are cruising the toyo/nissan sacred areas today ... Some smart R&D by the "new" chrysler could have some interesting results.
0
FollowupID: 630755

Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 18:18

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 18:18
When I said "longhaul" I was referring to outback off bitumen miles from anywhere not highway towing kind of driving. The Wrangler always seems to me like a go bush for a day or modify it to climb rocks kind of deal rather than the sort of 4wd Australians are generally going to buy. As I said, the engines seem pretty good, especially the diesel variants. I still feel its the body/suspension department that needs development for Oz off road conditions and I don't see that as a Fiat area of expertise.
0
FollowupID: 630824

Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 18:41

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 18:41
heya Mfewster

Thats pretty much the "longhaul" I was referring to.

5yrs bumbling around NT / Qld / NSW "outback" areas in a TJ and more years later in the XJ, prove your suspension comment correct ... I needed heavier duty coils/leaves compared to those provided std ... as I have done in jap vehicles.

Plenty of the jeep vehicle models seen by coastal inhabitants are actually "out there" doing the outback and in a lot of cases ... doing it better ...

Not in anyway saying they are the "best" 4wd for Oz ... but neither would anything else here be - if not for longterm R&D and established dealerships.
0
FollowupID: 630831

Reply By: puttputt - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 12:06

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 12:06
I am a Toyota fan, but the Jeep Wrangler is in my opinion one of the most desirable 4wd's on the road, I am very happy that they will still be around.
AnswerID: 363123

Reply By: Member - William H (WA) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 12:35

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 12:35
I wont move from a "Toyota"........Always can get a part from the tip or the wrecker...............then the shop.

Cheers for now....William H...Bunbury...WA.
AnswerID: 363128

Reply By: klacka - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 12:40

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 12:40
This link is the next Grand Cherokee suppose to come to Aus sometime in 2010 with air suspension that selects a 3" lift when off road.

2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee SUV - full details

I wonder if the Chrysler issues prevent it from coming to Australia the grapevine says it was to come early to mid 2010
AnswerID: 363129

Reply By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 14:36

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 14:36
So....Does this mean were going to see a full-on constant 4wd off road Bambino.
Or a micro 2wd wrangler 600cc turbo diesel shopping basket.

I dont know who's in bed with whom these days.

Does Lada still own Lambogini ?.......lol.


Cheers......Lionel.
AnswerID: 363143

Reply By: klacka - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 15:47

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 15:47
OOOps!
This link may work better for a gander at the next model Grand Cherokee

www.allpar.com/trucks/jeep/2011-cherokee.html - 48k -
AnswerID: 363161

Reply By: puttputt - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 18:27

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 18:27
BTW, thanks to everybody that responded, I screwed up and everybody responded without trying to make a fool out of me, and some with good humor, you are all great.

Cheers
AnswerID: 363198

Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 11:26

Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 11:26
If you like, we can start some serious abuse!!
0
FollowupID: 631136

Sponsored Links

Popular Products (13)