Mounting uhf antenna on aluminium bulbar

Submitted: Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:21
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Hi
I have a uhf antenna as shown in the following DSE webpage

(http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/49fe23f01b4f698a273fc0a87e0106e8/Product/View/D4000)

which I am wanting to mount on my bullbar. My question relates to ground planes??. My bullbar is aluminium. I understand these antenna have a base that normally bites into the panel they mount onto thus earthing the antenna. Because I want to mount this on my aluminium bull bar does this mean I should earth the base of the antenna to the bonnet so as to have the correct ground plane configuration. ...... or am I right of track. Help appreciated.

Kc
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Reply By: Shaver - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:32

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:32
While not a expert, I am pretty sure UHF Antenna's are ground independant & do not require Earthing !
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:45

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:45
This one isn't Ground Plane Independant
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Reply By: Member - Rodney B- Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:51

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 09:51
I just mounted my UHF onto the mounting hole on the aluminium bar and it worked fine.
The antenna works better if you mount in the middle of the roof but who is going to cut a hole in the roof just to get an extra Kilometer range out of a UHF.
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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 10:07

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 10:07
Hi,
they work perfectly mounted on alloy bars; the antenna is ground independant as mentioned above.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:45

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:45
This one isn't Ground Plane Independant
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Reply By: Member - John and Val W (ACT) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 10:50

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 10:50
kc

Two factors involved here -

1) The outer of the antenna lead must be well grounded to complete the electrical circuit. Assuming the aluminium bull bar is firmly attached to the vehicle, that's fine.

2) This antenna is NOT a ground independent one. It relies on having a decent sized reflector (a ground plane) close by to provide a mirror image of the antenna, effectively doubling it's size as a radiator. It will work to some extent without a ground plane, but much better with one. Mounted on the bullbar, the bonnet will provide that ground plane. You do not need to provide any special electrical connection, just that large area of metal which acts as a reflector at these frequencies.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:47

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:47
Since there's a big gap between the Bullbar and bonnet, I don;t see how the bonnet can provide a ground plane.
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Reply By: Bushwhacker - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 17:04

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 17:04
Hi kcandco, I think your question has been answered well by others, but just to reinforce the answers, aluminium is used as an earth cable for weldering machines that require long leads, due to the difference in weight, makes them so much lighter to carry, so don't worry about having an aluminium bar, it will earth just fine. GROUND plane is not the same as EARTH,
it is to do with the surrounding geometrical plane, that affects the reception/transmission of the radio 'waves'. Well, thats the way I understand things, am prepared to stand corrected if I'm wrong. 'Whacker
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Follow Up By: Bushwhacker - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 17:12

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 17:12
oops, should read 'welding'
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 18:09

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 18:09
Be sure you have a good quality aerial and a spring base to attach to the bullbar.

Bullbars move independently of the vehicle body and have a tendency to shake inferior aerials to pieces, especially on corrugated tracks.

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Reply By: kcandco - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 19:37

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 19:37
Thanks Everyone Now I feel like I'm on the right track. I was thinking the ground plain must have a physical connection to the base of the antenna, but this apparently is not the case. My next concern which I hadn't considered is how my antenna will stand up to vibration on the bullbar? I guess only time will tell.

regards Kc
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 20:26

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 20:26
UHF radios do not have a long range and different types of aerials will not really make a lot of difference to the range of the radio. So, why not just use a 'rubber duckie' short aerial, I have never had one break and am quite happy with the signal range.

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:33

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:33
Kc, the antenna on my bullbar isn't sprung but has been there for at least 60k, kms. I do carry a spare though as you always should if going any distance.
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Reply By: obee1212 - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 20:52

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 20:52
just try it out with a friend in another vehicle and you will soon know if it delivers what you want. UHF is not going to get too many chances to obtain a long line of sight with all the bush, hills and buildings and get you much more than you need. Remember that uhf is intended to get close comms and not all the other traffic out there in the ether. The old 27 meg used to jam up with stuff from all over the world when the atmospherics made it work like HF. 27 is so close to the vhf band that it behaves sometimes like hf and sometimes like vhf. UHF was never meant to be long distance and that gives you an idea of why it runs on so little power.

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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:32

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:32
Owen, UHF do better than line of sight. They go over hills too, but a shorter range. Trees aren't a hindrance either except over greater range. Our tractors and vehicles do up over 20 kms with virtual forests in the way on a regular basis, mobile to mobile and yet sometimes I can't hear the distant one with our base antenna.

When the atmospherics come into play we can also speak to Tasmania from Western Victoria.Portland too on occasions which is two hours away.
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Follow Up By: obee1212 - Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 10:25

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 10:25
I hear what you say. Yes you do get ducting effects with higher frequencies but I would call that a nuisance more than an asset. Granted uhf will bend a bit but the intention is line of sight just as it is with vhf. For practical purposes that is how it is defined in the manuals i used to read.

I have never been sure quite how effective the range is and I am thankful for your info. Main thing is to get what you think you need i guess.

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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:49

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 21:49
You really need a Ground Plane Independant antenna to mount on a bullbar - even if you run a wire from the bullbar to the bodywork, there's no connection from bodywork to bonnet except at the Latch.

You still don't have any groundplane in front of the bullbar.
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Reply By: Member - Murray R (VIC) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 22:24

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 22:24
KC
Check out the GME web site helpfull information about antennas
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