Tonights ABC 7.30 report

Submitted: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 23:14
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Anyone watch the part about 4WD's and beaches.....what do you think....has been a concern of mine for a long time...I did not realize that you people in the east are restricted so much...I guess we are really lucky over here in the west BUT for how long?

That had some marine scientist give his opinion....they are worried about the worms and bugs in the beach sand.....what about the bush and the worms in the sand there?

We might have to watch this that it does not go too far!
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Reply By: wallabyjack5 - Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 23:50

Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 23:50
Its one of the reasons why they want to close Cable Beach in Broome to 4WD.

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Reply By: Shaker - Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 23:50

Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 23:50
I am far from being a 'Greenie', but my opinion is that they shouldn't be allowed on beaches.
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 05:30

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 05:30
you should not just make a comment and not give an explanation!

why let cars on the beach ? they may kill bugs and worms?

Why let cars in the national parks - they may kill koala bears crossing the road - Kangeroos - wallabies - maybe even an animal on the threatened list ??

why let cars on the road - they can also kill native animals - birds - reptiles such as blue tongue lizards that live within suburbia.

where do we draw the line ??? In the sand or in the pavement ?

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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 06:58

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 06:58
C'mon Ozboc .... it really annoys me when people refer to our Aussie Icon as a bear ,

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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 08:26

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 08:26
Doug -- true , but that's a whole new argument again! even with the slang term used for them "Drop bear" the reference to Bear still applies !

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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 09:55

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 09:55
It is a Koala...period !!
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 10:32

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 10:32
It requires no explanation, as I said, it is my opinion only, which, unless I am wrong, I am allowed to have in this country!
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 11:12

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 11:12
Gawd..!!!!! what have I started now....I can't bear it any longer.
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 11:20

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 11:20
Shaker,

Obviously you can't bear to be told you are wrong.

I can just imagine your teachers in school copping flak from your over "bearing" attitude when tolde you were wrong.

But then again, you do bare all when told you are wrong


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Follow Up By: Shaker - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 13:38

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 13:38
Nobody told me I was wrong, how can a personal opinion be wrong?

I was also replying to the OPs question, so if I need your opinion I will rattle the chain!
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 15:09

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 15:09
hahaha...get a sense of humour about you mate and grow up.

You are WRONG. There ya go :-)

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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 15:13

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 15:13
Lighten up it's more than a Koala can bear.
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Reply By: troopyman - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 06:11

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 06:11
No , i think he means they shouldnt allow the worms on the beach . 4wds are fine .
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Follow Up By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 09:13

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 09:13
LOL....I luv it... : )
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Reply By: Member - Alan H (QLD) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 06:23

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 06:23
It was the usual biased report. Except for island beaches, there are very few places to drive on beaches in QLD.

No mention was made of the fact that the beach on Fraser and Moreton provide an excellent nature maintained road to service the islands without the need for costly roads running the length of the island.

As for microclimates and micro impacts, the guy from the univerasity failed to note that his University campus would also have had an impact by putting buildings and pavings over parts of coastal QLD.

Lower speeds for safety but the enviroment and human impact needs to concentrate on conservation not preservation. Minimal impact by all means but total lockup and preservation of any area is just not accepting reality of human impact.

Reduction in population is far greater measure to minimise impact of the world environment yet how silent is this topic. Instead all we get is so called plans and projects for massive population increase without any acknowledgment of the alternative of trying to reduce the so called massive population increase to come.

I'm off my soapbox for now.

Alan
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 07:45

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 07:45
Hard to disagree with any of your comments Alan.

One day our previous treasurers support for baby bonuses etc will go down as a disaster from the dark ages.
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Follow Up By: Bob of KAOS - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 07:48

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 07:48
Alan

I agree.

We should have let swine flu rip, not prevent it.

Bob
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Follow Up By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 08:22

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 08:22
The problem with this argument is the word "they". You assume that the people who want to protect beaches have no concerns about population numbers. They are quite likely to be just as concerned about pop. figures as well. I totally agree that we need a massive population reduction. But it isn't as simple as that is it? Hands up all those who want to live in a country with a huge proportion of elderly people and a very small workforce of the young to support that segment. On the other hand, you could vote for encoutging restriction on the birth rate but take in lots of young immigrants to run the country's workforce. Can't see that being a big vote winner either. So while we try to work that out , we had better try to protect as much of our environment as we can.
To their credit, the Chinese had a go at a "one child per family" policy. I'm sure we have all read of the bizarre outcomes of that bit of social engineering.
It's a bit cute to dismiss the beach bans as just saving a few worms. The point of beach bans is protecting the food chains. The beaches provide the environment that establishes a base level of the food chain that the rest of the marine life need. I'm not qualified to say whether or not this is so, but those whose job it is to study these things seem to think it is.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 06:26

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 06:26
For those with broadband, you can watch the episode here from ABC's iview ==>http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/program/368119......the story is shown at 23:45 minutes into 7:30 Report.

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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 06:33

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 06:33
Copy the link above into your address bar....ExplorOz linky program has shortened the link :-(

http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/program/368119

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Reply By: Willem - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 07:38

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 07:38
Yeah well, that Worm Professor has been on telly before. I would like to ask him how many good ants he steps on every day.

Unfortunately beaches which are able to be accessed by vehicles need to have controls for access numbers. Permits (yeah, like everywhere else) may have to be introduced to the beaches where there is a greater population mix of humans and rolling metal. A total ban would be a step backwards and hurt the tourism potential of many small beachside communities

We went to Fraser Is in the mid 90's. Even then the backpacker mentality was rife with all shapes of hire 4bies being driven at speed along the beaches. Authorities turned as blind eye or where too lazy to impose some controls and now everyone is ducking for cover and having a knee jerk reaction over the recent accident there

Access to some beaches here in South Australia is still uncontrolled but the nature of the beaches dictates that speeding is nigh on impossible and in some places, after having accessed the beach, you are lucky to get off it!

Driving on a beach gives you that feeling of total and unrestricted freedom. It does nothing for your vehicle though as constant beach driving will eventually lead to the vehicle rusting out in places and becoming unuseable.

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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 08:28

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 08:28
he has ants in his Ivory tower ???

Boc

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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 08:15

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 08:15
Hi All

On any given weekend there will be a Minimum of 500 vehicles on Teewah Beach, from Friday afternoon to Monday morning, you just have to talk to the Vehicle Ferry Operators, thats besides the vehicles that gain access from the northern approaches at Rainbow Beach or the Fresh Water Track, I agree with the Speed Limit, and OK if they start charging to go on the beach, one must pay to camp there now, so the Day Trippers will also have to pay as well, and I imagine the Tourist Buses will have to pay, or they might be paying allready with other fees ect, it's only the minority of so called Greenies and Tree Huggers that will stuff it up for us if we don't let the powers to be, know how we all feel, BUT we have to be responable for our actions while we are on these Beaches or Bush Tracks, and show the authorities that we have the right to use them, and any Boof Heads that abuse these places must be dealt with.

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Follow Up By: jeepthing - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 08:40

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 08:40
Yep Daza it's the boof heads that are causing the attention of the authorities eg doing donuts and ripping up the sand; then it goes on from there...to beachworms
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Follow Up By: Ozboc - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 12:26

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 12:26
MMmMMmMMmMMmmmmm donuts .........
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Follow Up By: jeepthing - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 12:46

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 12:46
That's the problem the worms are still there the fishermen should be using donuts not smelly fish frames!!
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Reply By: bazista - Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 10:52

Thursday, May 07, 2009 at 10:52
Hi Alan, I agree with your comments on population restriction although I have no idea how it could be equitably introduced. I also agree with comments about beaches and food chains, if nothing else it makes logical sense. I'm a conservationist, not a greenie, as are many other readers, I'm also a pragmatist. Roads are necessary in this country, although we could get much of the heavy traffic off by having an efficient rail service. Even should this happen road kill is inevitable. Equating this with driving on beaches is comparing apples and oranges.
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