coleman heaters

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Therers two coleman heaters for sale ones a blackcat heater for $50 the other is a procat heater for $200, whats the difference between the two? is it worth paying the extra for the procat? whats the best heater to heat up a large tent?
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Reply By: CLC50 (QLD ) - Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 17:03

Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 17:03
Hi Cranswik

Sorry but heaters & tents don't work unless you have a death wish,Buy some extra blankets its a lot safer
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Reply By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 17:47

Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 17:47
The Procat heater includes an internal fan to help distribute heat, whereas the blackcat distributes heat by pure convection.

We have the blackcat and despite the doomsdayers, operates safely inside a tent, providing you ensure there is sufficient airflow.
The operating manual of either heater will warn the user of operating the heater in a confined space and their recommendation for sufficient airflow is well on the side of extreme safety.

On the occasions when we use ours, we ensure there is sufficient ventilation with an open vent or window on opposite sides, to expel any presence of carbon monoxide created whenever a flame source is present.
We generally only run the heater to warm the inside of the Camper annex prior to retiring. Once we are cocooned in our bedding, we are warm enough and turn the heater off before going to bed.

We have also used the Cobb cooker for the same purpose following cooking of the evening meal. (Why waste the heat from the heatbeads). In this case we allow the Cobb to exhaust the fuel source by itself.

You will get about 6 hours burning from a full canister of gas.

Bill.

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Reply By: cranswick - Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 19:09

Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 19:09
IS it too dangerous to use a coleman or any heater in a tent like the previous person said?
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Follow Up By: Sand Man (SA) - Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 19:50

Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 19:50
Without repeating what I posted above, any heater that uses a combustion process will generate carbon monoxide, a poisonous gas.

If sufficient steps are taken to ensure there is a flow of outside air to dilute or eliminate the CO gas, there won't be a problem.

Ask yourself this.
How many homes still use an open fireplace burning wood, without any purposeful air flow extraction processes. They are simply relying on the CO gas being extracted through the chimney.

How many homes and holiday units use a kerosene heater without any purposeful air flow extraction process at all?

Just about every houseboat I have been on has a gas fired heater on board, generally at the end of the kitchen counter and in the approximate middle of the living area. This type of heater also has the same potential to generate CO gas which could kill. There is no purpose designed extraction flu or other means of air circulation to remove or dilute CO gas.



Where does carbon monoxide come from?

CO is a common by product of the combustion of fossil fuels. When properly installed and maintained, most fuel burning equipment (natural gas, propane or oil) will produce insignificant amounts of CO.

At what level does carbon monoxide become toxic?
For healthy adults, CO becomes toxic when it reaches a level higher than 50 ppm (parts per million) with continuous exposure over an eight hour period.. When the level of CO becomes higher than that, a person will suffer from symptoms of exposure. Mild exposure over a few hours (a CO level between 70 ppm and 100 ppm) include flu-like symptoms such as headaches, sore eyes and a runny nose. Medium exposure (a CO level between 150 ppm to 300 ppm) will produce dizziness, drowsiness and vomiting. Extreme exposure (a CO level of 400 ppm and higher) will result in unconsciousness, brain damage and death.

So, with basic precautions I think it more likely a drop bear may fall from a tree and land on your tent and kill you while you sleep.
(That is why we allow a small air flow when using a heater in the tent and why we never place the tent under a tree.)

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Follow Up By: Pyalong - Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 19:51

Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 19:51
We used a basic convection type screw to gas bottle for extended travelling in the icey areas we have been. As Sand man said ventilation is very important...esp with a smallish set up. However we had kids with us, and would NEVER have the heater going without an adult in the tent....and NEVER whilst kids moving around.....only while they were in bed reading. Same as Sandman again..when my missus or myself went to bed....heater was turned off.....and then on again first thing in morning for 20 mins or so....BEFORE the kids get out of bed.

I have no doubt there will be more negative responses, and thats fine....there are very many dangerous things whilst camping, but I found with very strict guidlines.....we enjopyed the use of the heater.....most esp when the whole tent would be covered in ice in the mornings.

Cheers,
Mick.
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Reply By: paulnsw - Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 19:43

Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 19:43
Coleman heater is a catalytic heater that produces only tiny amounts of nitrous oxide or carbon monoxide and nothing like a normal gas heater. Tens of thousands of pensioners see travelling around in caravans with Coleman heaters not seen or heard of no walking dead.

Using a Cobb as a heater is having a death wish.
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Follow Up By: paulnsw - Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 19:44

Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 19:44
forgot to add the Procat with the fan is much better unit. Can use gas hose on Procat from gas bottle.
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Reply By: cranswick - Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 20:21

Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 20:21
So long as you had the window open it would be perfectly safe and even if you did'nt there would'nt be enough poison gas to kill you. ALso which one is better the blackcat for $50 or the pro cat $200, whats the difference between the two is it worth paying extra for the procat?
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 21:20

Saturday, May 16, 2009 at 21:20
I reckon it would be worth the extra large to get the Procat. I have the blackcat but have a mate with the Procat and I wish I bought the more expensive one for the stand the Procat comes with alone. The Blackcat gets very hot around the rim and has burnt a hole in our ground sheet when the flimsy stand it comes with, toppled over after it was turned off. The Procat does a good job of heating a good size camper annexe that housed 4 adults on the chilly nights at Warraweena SA in 2007. My Blackcat heated my 16ft van at the same location but it was left on the sink to be sure not to burn anything.

Cheers Trevor.
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Reply By: PatrolSTL04 - Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 00:10

Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 00:10
Have been using the Procat for about 3 years while camping.

Has been used in the Horsefloat and Camper Trailer, and is worth more than its weight in gold.

Have it connected to a Gas Cylinder. With appropriate ventilation it has been fantastic.

Brett
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Reply By: Member - Wayne David (NSW) - Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 11:58

Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 11:58
Is it just me or what?

There's loads of information on the internet about the dangers of Carbon Monoxide poisoning from gas heating to make you at least think that there must be a better way to get warm.

Plus the idea of warming a camping space and having the window open to provide good ventilation kind of sounds 'unusual' to me.

For what it's worth, I'd reckon it's way better to get the space as draft free as possible to retain heat, rug-up, wear a beannie, good socks & so forth. Still cold? Hit the sack & rub skin together. That way you warm, burn calories and enjoy yourself.



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Reply By: paulnsw - Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 17:11

Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 17:11
Wayne David the Coleman is a catalytic heater which others gas heaters are not.

This posted on caravan forum
by Neil Short on Sun May 17, 2009 8:01 am
looking at the 3000btu for the Coleman heater compared to a burner on your stove or the oven looks a non event
if you check the net they talk all over the world using the Coleman heater in campers, trailers, tents, motorhomes everywhere. Why would they supply Coleman heaters in rental cars in Canada for use inside the vehicle if they were so dangerous
How much is a burner on the stove 10000btu and oven probably 14000btu and you are quibbling about 3000btu from an appliance that is catalytic and produces minimal toxins.
Coleman heater would have to be safer than those that use an oven or gas ring to heat the van. Looks like an indefensible discussion with the Coleman heater the winner.

Colemans Press Release

Coleman Introduces BlackCat™ Heater
Catalytic Design Approved for Use in Tents
Designed for recreational use and heating enclosed areas, Coleman’s new propane-powered BlackCat catalytic heater will be a welcome companion to campers and others who venture forth during the frosty seasons. Suitable for use indoors, the new heater also can provide relief during power outages or other home emergency situations.
The BlackCat heater utilizes platinum catalytic technology. It produces flameless warmth and is whisper quiet, just the prescription for keeping the chill at bay inside a tent or RV on a late-fall campout. The flameless nature of the heater head significantly minimizes the chance that material will ignite on contact.
Although the BlackCat heater has an eight-inch heating head to deliver bone-warming performance, the unit is compact, lightweight and portable. Tipping the scales at a mere 3.75 pounds, the heater is convenient for waterfowlers and wintertime anglers to carry to the ice fishing shanty, duck blind or goose pit.
Coleman offers BlackCat heaters in both a standard match-light model, and in an electronic ignition model for convenient matchless lighting.
Rated at 3,000 Btu, the new catalytic heater runs on a 16.4-ounce disposable propane cylinder, which is easily attached to the unit and powers it for six to eight hours. A pressure-regulated system ensures constant output in all temperatures and almost noiseless operation.
Other features include a retractable stand that provides stability when the heater is in use, yet the stand folds out of the way for storage and transport. An integrated wire guard protects the head of the heater.
Suggested retail prices are $60 for the match-light model, and $68 for the electronic ignition model.
Catalytic Technology
Fueled by disposable propane cylinders, Coleman catalytic heaters are reliable sources of heat that operate using platinum catalytic technology to provide warmth without flames. The catalytic process converts nearly all of the propane to heat energy. In the catalytic process, propane is brought into contact with oxygen in the air in the presence of a catalyst. The resulting chemical reaction generates heat.
In addition to comfort and efficiency, the catalytic process produces fewer gases (such as nitrous oxide or carbon monoxide) than conventional flame or radiant combustion at normal oxygen levels. It is important to remember that all combustion consumes oxygen; although all of the Coleman catalytic heaters have been approved for indoor use, some ventilation is required to minimize oxygen depletion.
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Follow Up By: Member - Wayne David (NSW) - Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 17:51

Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 17:51
paulnsw - Thanks for the information.

Sounds too good to be true.

I'll copy your information and investigate.

Thanks & cheers for now.

WD
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