Sixth Gear in 200 Series Diesel

Submitted: Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 15:31
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Toyota are offering 200 series diesel owners the opportunity to have the computer that controls their gearbox re-programmed so that it drops into 6th gear at about 90kph instead of somewhere over 120kph.

Had mine done the other day. You need to put the gearstick into "S" Mode to use the upgrade.

Took a run down the Old Coast Rd between Mandurah and Bunbury this morning.

Sitting on 100kph, revs at 1500, in sixth gear, fuel consumption as shown on my scangauge was 9 litres per 100 kays.

That's 31mpg.

Pretty good.
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Reply By: Rockape - Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 16:02

Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 16:02
That is awesome fuel consumption for such a large and heavy vehicle.
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 16:36

Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 16:36
Is that the V8 diesel Auto.???,,,,EEEEEEK!!!!



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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 16:42

Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 16:42
yep.
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Follow Up By: guzzi - Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 16:51

Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 16:51
You could always mail that result to harold screwby and his fax machine every time the wanker opens his trap about gas guzzling 4x4.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 18:16

Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 18:16
1500rpm......thats about 300rpm higher than max torque!
Can't you get it any lower.....hehe
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 18:39

Sunday, May 17, 2009 at 18:39
LOL, so you want to take your foot completeley off the go pedal, Do 100k per hr, at 1200 revs, (idling)up hill and down dale!!

Just give Toyo An other Year!!....lol

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Reply By: Sixty at Last - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 20:20

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 20:20
Thks GB, I have just booked mine in. Best part - no charge as it's warranty apparently. Cheers. JB.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Monday, May 18, 2009 at 20:45

Monday, May 18, 2009 at 20:45
Sounds a lot better GB.
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Reply By: Member - Jeff O (VIC) - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 19:14

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 19:14
GB
Thanks for the heads up.
I had mine done today. No charge.
The info I got with mine tells me that you can put it into S MODE,select 6th gear ,and then put it into Drive and it works automatically.
I will give it a test run on the weekend
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 19:33

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 19:33
That's exactly correct Jeff.

Only read that detail myself today.

It reverts to "normal" if you turn the engine off then you have to do it all again.

But that's OK, it's worth it.

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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff O (VIC) - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 20:11

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 20:11
Steve
Running around down here I am using 16l per 100k.40% on the freeway and 60% around town
On a run I have been averaging 13l per 100k..It will be interesting to see how much difference it makes.

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Reply By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 20:29

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 20:29
Great post GB, you've finally posted something that hasn't been deleted LOL.

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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 22:44

Tuesday, May 19, 2009 at 22:44
Personal attack.

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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 09:19

Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 09:19
No, not at all. I found it very interesting that the 6th gear problem with the 200 has been remedied.

Also 31 mpg is most impressive for such a vehicle.

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Follow Up By: tim_c - Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 14:59

Wednesday, May 20, 2009 at 14:59
Yes, you'd wonder a bit about the point of a 6spd auto if the top gear only gets used when cruising at over 120km/h - how often do you do that *legally*?
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Reply By: Member - OzGazza - Friday, May 22, 2009 at 21:10

Friday, May 22, 2009 at 21:10
I've had mine "upgraded" too. 1,500rpm @ 100kph is only ticking over but it won't hold (nor should it) even up a slight incline.

It'll be interesting to see how it goes with a trailer. Not expecting 6th gear to select much then.

We'll see.
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Reply By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Saturday, May 23, 2009 at 12:53

Saturday, May 23, 2009 at 12:53
Don't take this as my normal Toyota stirring........... but I do wonder about what the comments would have been if Land Rover or GM or Ford or anyone elase had sold a vehicle with the same issues. Lets face it the 6th gear problem was mentioned about 2 days after the first 200 series were delivered.

Only Toyota can get away with ignoring the concerns of owners and then take however many months to put in a simple fix.

Then to top it off people are pleased that they are not being charged!!!!!



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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Saturday, May 23, 2009 at 19:22

Saturday, May 23, 2009 at 19:22
Yeah, your right GoneTroppo, the fact that 6th gear didn't work at 100km/hr and the vehicle was doing a whopping 1800rpm in 5th is shocking!!! Toyota should have designed it only for us Aussies to compensate for our low speed limits and ignore the other places where 130+ km/hr is legal. And they should ignore its Euro4 emissions compliance at low rpm/high speed and just allow 6th at ~90km/hr regardless.

Wouldn't want an "arrogant" organization like Toyota to take the time to allow a work around to our emission laws and have a legal 6th speed activation, ensure the NVH meets their standards and that all that torque doesn't impact the drivetrain. And this should be done immediately on the very first complaint from a customer, not wait until it is judged a concern by many. Surely this large organisation wouldn't have bureaucracy that requires all the checks and balances to be met before being released to the public?

I should have stuck with Nissan, they are much more straightforward to deal with - they simply say NO immediately and deny things that are genuine warranty claims (Nissan doesn't have a 3.0 engine problem - ask them!!!).

And as Land Rover, GM or Ford, I just can't quite recall the sheer number of times they have taken the time to respond to customer concerns on a vehicle thats works, just not quite how the customer would like it to and then spend considerable engineering time developing a fix for free?

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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Sunday, May 24, 2009 at 09:31

Sunday, May 24, 2009 at 09:31
Thank you Captain you've supported my argumant far more eloquently than I coud have. You don't by any chance own a 200?

Couple of thoughts you may want to consider.

Despite our tiny population Australia is among the biggest markets for Land Cruiser for Toyota. (It's possible that other markets have not succumbed quite so readily to Toyota spin)

As they have been here for some 50 odd years, one might have hoped that they may have noticed that Australia has a 100k limit.
and has had since the '60's.

"Considerable engineering time" I think not, more like a few yen to reprogram one of the settings in the computer.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Sunday, May 24, 2009 at 11:52

Sunday, May 24, 2009 at 11:52
Supported your argument... perhaps my sarcasm was too subtle :)

If you think it only costs "a few yen" to reprogram "one" setting, then think again. I am currently over in Florida doing PLC (Programable Logic Control) Functional Acceptance Testing, so perhaps I might have a tad more knowledge than the average person on what is involved...

What costs "a few Yen" could cost in the tens of millions of Yen if Toyota got it wrong. Already the ECT downrates peak engine torque under certain conditions, imagine the cost if this upgrade resulted in transmission or drivetrain damage? The quantum of testing required for such a "simple" change is incredibly high - trust me! To provide this for free is indeed a remarkable thing.

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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Monday, May 25, 2009 at 07:54

Monday, May 25, 2009 at 07:54
Yes I did miss your sarcasm, maybe my antenae were not up.

If we're talking a few yen or a lot of yen is perhaps not that relevant. The point is it should neve have been sold in the first place.
Fixing it free is the least I would have expected.

On another note, I would be surprised if different mapping had not been considered and available for different markets in the first place, (ie during develpoment) so there may not have ben ANY yen spent.
What are your thoughts on that?
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