3G using Telstra's Next's G Network in Country areas

Submitted: Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:05
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Has anyone moved to the 3G network, they claim they are using Telstra's Next G Towers out of their Broadband Zone.

I am using the optus lackberry solutions now and be getting the Blackberry Bold Phone and solution through 3G if it looks good

I'm meeting a salesman tonight and will be asking some questions


Cheers Kenny
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Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:10

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:10
Hi Kenny
In a nut shell, the NextG phone network is for Telstra only and no other carriers are at this stage, able to use this frequency. We see it all the time here in country SA, all those fancy phones from other carries will not work in Next G areas.
If you are after a NextG phone, you will only have one carrier, and that is Telstra.


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Follow Up By: KennyBWilson - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:23

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:23
Hi Stephen,

Yes I know what your saying but apparently 3G has signed up a Ten year contract to use their Next G network.

Telstra already Use 3g's network now and have been since Telstra got into the 3G market, but I will be making sure this is 100% correct before signing the dotted line.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:21

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:21
It's the "3" network - all Telcos provide a 3G service.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:21

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:21
I think you mean the '3' network ??
And no, they don't revert to Telstra Next G service when their service is unavailable. They do revert to the Telstra 3G network.

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Follow Up By: KennyBWilson - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:32

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:32
Hi signman ,

Yes your right, my mistake, all these 3's and G's got me confussed :-(
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:20

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:20
Phones which are capable of operating on the 850 MHz network (used by NextG) can now roam to the Telstra NextG towers if a "3" SIMcard is in the phone.
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Reply By: JustT - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:25

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:25
Three will roam to NextG where telstra has GSM coverage. - But you will need a phone that does WCDMA 850.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:23

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:23
"3" phones capable of 850 will roam to Telstra's NextG network when they are out of range of the "3" network.
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Reply By: Gronk - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:32

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:32
This is a minefield for unsuspecting people who get their minds filled with jargon that seems to be intentionally worded to confuse people !!

NextG.....3G....a 3 phone ???

A nextG will work on 3G but a non telstra 3G won't work on nextG ??

They should all be ashamed for making it all so confusing.....
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Follow Up By: KennyBWilson - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:43

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:43
Yes your right Gronk

I'm so confused :-(

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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 13:26

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 13:26
Next G is a brand, "3" is a brand, and 3G is a general term for 3rd generation mobile technology. GSM is 2G

Next G's brand of 3 G uses 2100 and 850mHZ frequencies. "3" uses 2100. Optus uses 2100 and 900Mhz.

What makes Next G fairly unique is that Telstra uses the old 850Mhz frequencies that it had for CDMA. Only a handful of carriers world wide do that and not a lot of phones support it. The reason that they did it is that 850mhz goes further than 2100, but about the same as Optus' 900.

"3" started the confusion deliberately to blur the line between technology and their brand then Telstra came up with Next G to differentiate it and make it sound even newer.

Don't worry, 4G is on the way to make it better..... or should I say worse.

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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 15:39

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 15:39
Hi Boobook,
the only thing I'd add is that Optus's 900 MHz network is GSM, which is limited to about 35km distance regardless of the signal level, whereas the 850MHz Telstra network's range is limited only by signal level.
The clever buggers own this 850MHz band, and know it has superior range and charge accordingly. The Pamplona Bull Run is nothing compared with Telstra :o)

cheers, Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 16:59

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 16:59
Each carrier owns their own bit of spectrum - it's up to them, what technology they want to put on it.

If Optus wanted to put the same non-distance-limited technology onto their 900 or 2100 MHz allocation they could do it.

The reason they don't is because they can't afford to make such a massive investment.

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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 17:51

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 17:51
Joc45, Optus has also started rolling out 3G on 900Mhz in the county as part of it's 98% of the population deployment. (UMTS900)

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Reply By: chisel - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:48

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:48
"3" have started to roam onto Telstra's NextG network. (Not just onto Telstra's GSM network). I think they've roamed onto NextG for a while for phone calls but only recently started for data.

This is excellent news for 3 customers that travel a lot.
Be careful though, if you are roaming you maybe paying a lot more for your phone calls and data usage.

Note that you will need a compatible handset - one that supports 850MHz (NextG).
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Reply By: Ray - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:50

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 09:50
as l stated some moths ago, little Johnny Howard made a real big mistake when he privatized telstra by letting telstra have all the infrastructure of telecom. optus and the others were set up to give competition in the telecommunications industry but that has just not happened
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Reply By: Sigmund - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:16

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:16
My 3 phone has roamed on the Telstra GSM network for several years but the cost is a shocker.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:25

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:25
. . . how much ?
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 12:53

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 12:53
The cost of calls on 3 is exactly the same whether on 3's towers ( which are shared by Telstra and are 2100), GSM which was the previous roaming arrangement with Telstra or the recent - as of 1 month ago roaming arrangement where 3 roams toTelstra's 850 mhz Next G if you have the right phone. Data is more expensive but still less than Telstra, and is speed limited to about 2MBPS.

3 Users will still roam to GSM ( and not Next G) in areas that are supposed to be covered by 3's Network. (Capital cities etc). It is still a crap service in Capital cities and ironicaly exactly as good as Telstra in the country now.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 16:52

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 16:52
There is a limit of 35 kilometres from the tower for GSM, it is also slow. Why would you even bother with it? Next G or nothing currently. Best coverage and best speed, is unfortunately with Telstra - bar nothing.
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Reply By: olcoolone - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 13:43

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 13:43
I believe the Telstra/3 agreement will only allow limited coverage to 3 customers.

If you are on 3 you will NOT have the same coverage as NextG customers.

I think it is limited to major country towns.

If you could get the same coverage on 3 as NextG, Telstra would loose customers by the bucket load.

Telstra has done it in a way that it still insurers Telstra and the NextG service has the widest coverage and options.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 16:52

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 16:52
I still cant beileve that the Federal Govt allowed Telstra to dismantle the CDMA network that all mobile companies were able to access and provide Non Metro customers with a mobile phone service. Then allow Telstra to have a monopoly on their new Next G service that directly replaced it. It really is beyond belief that it happened and nobody blinked!! Michael

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Reply By: Member - Rob - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 21:14

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 21:14
Hi Kenny
I have jusy come off the 3 network and found very ordinary especially in regional areas. If you are roaming it will cost. I also have expeienced OPtus and the 3 network and regionally they are poor performers with Blackberries. I have been doing some travelling and joined the Telstra 3g network and use a Nokia N95 and it outperformed my expectations in its range of service. Good Luck with your choice.
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Reply By: Member - colin M (NSW) - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 21:57

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 21:57
Mind boggles at all this information. Have stuck with Telstra despite fact I have come to hate them and their lousy customer service. Just back from trip to Lake Eyre Tweed Heads to Innamincka- Arkaroola, Leigh Creek, William Creek, Marree, Birdsville if your away from major towns - no coverage OK at Birdsville, Leigh Creek but not Marree, William Creek or in between. Hired a SIM card for my Satellite phone (purchased 3 years ago for round OZ trip) from " for "Landwide"- $40 for the month and had peace of mind the whole trip.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Friday, May 29, 2009 at 06:55

Friday, May 29, 2009 at 06:55
"Hired a SIM card for my Satellite phone"

- if you have a Telstra SIMcard and a 9500/9505 Satphone, you can use the SIMcard in the Satphone.
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Reply By: markbos - Friday, May 29, 2009 at 08:55

Friday, May 29, 2009 at 08:55
Hi, I have just moved to the 3 Network. I do not live in their areas so had to personally go to one of their outlets to organise. I live in an area which has poor Optus coverage. Little to no Telstra coverage, unless it is their Next G. With 3 make sure you get a phone capable of Next G, ie a 850hz phone. Saves my family a fortune. And it is nice to have a phone which is not constantly cutting out. When not in a 3 area it reverts to Telstra Next G. they tell me it costs more to roam the internet when outside the 3 coverage. You know this as the phone has 'roaming' on the top. Inside the 3 area it says '3'. I cannot comment on the costs of internet as I only use their sport and weather which is free with my plan anyway. I travel a lot with work and have found the coverage so far excellent. Saying that I have not gone too far inland. hope this helps!
Mark
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Reply By: KennyBWilson - Friday, May 29, 2009 at 09:25

Friday, May 29, 2009 at 09:25
The salesman never showed up last night because I was busy and now informs me that I will be charged extra for data when out of 3 networks range

He was sure I wouldn't pay anything extra before but now the deal isn't so sweet as I had thought .

I'm not looking at the 3 network anymore as I never liked there coverage before and still think they have the worst coverage

I know Telstra's Next G is the best but man I gotta pay double to what Optus is charging.

And I don't want to surf their free Foxtel channels anyway, so why shouldn't we get charged for watch TV on the mobile and pay 10 times more for data usage

But when the new Yes G is up and running it can be the next best thing after Telstra

Thanks Kenny
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