Another 3 litre Nissan goes

Submitted: Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 13:08
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My good mates 2002 3 litre patrol blew yesterday, done 170,000km trouble free then bang.

He said it started to rattle a bit so he stopped on side of the road, then the engine light came on and it stopped, also got very hot, wouldnt restart just clunked if key was turned. Pulled dipstick and appeared to be no oil on the stick. He didnt say anything about smoke or loss of power. Nissan now have it and saying there is oil in coolant amongst other things, they are saying he is looking down barrel of $14k at this stage, so couple questions

1. Does this sound like the usual 3 litre failure
2. Whats the cheapest fix? New 3l motor, brunswick V8?

I warned him before he bought.
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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 13:44

Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 13:44
Sad to hear Zapper

This one sounds like head damage as well - usually a hole in piston
won't stop engine by itself and sure smokes.

I get him to re-read the various threads and get Nissans opinion
and quote to repair as a first input.

At 14k cost its sounds worth fixing properly, if car is ok otherwise.
I would not keep such a car unless covered for engine loss
under some form of extended warranty.

Personaly I don't think the V8 path is a way to go, I have always
held the opinion that the 4800 is a much better package and lower
cost to run as well despite the cost of fuel.
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Reply By: Mike GU - Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 13:52

Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 13:52
Cheapest without risk is a new long motor from nissan, should be able to get one in the crate for $7700, (new ring design and extended sump) then get nissan to remove all parts from stuffed motor and replace onto new block this is what i done and total cost incl labour was $10,800.

He could of course go cheaper and get another 3L from wheckers at around $4000 but will be wondering how long it will last...

Best option is to speak to brunswick they can fit 6.5L V8 chev with high speed diffs all ready to rock for around $20,000 then he will have one mean truck! i would of taken this road if i had an extra $12,000 and the car didnt blow up in Melbourne!

If taking the Brunswik route be mindful if hes not in WA it may cost a chitload to transport the dead weight over to the west.

Good luck this happened to me this year and i done extensive reaserch these are the options i found best
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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 18:32

Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 18:32
What about a "TONI" conversion?
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 19:59

Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 19:59
As the owner of a 6.5 V8 Chev-powered Patrol, (which I love heaps), I would say that if you can get a "project TONI" done for approx the same price as quoted to get the 3 litre replaced ($14K), then that's the way I'd go. However, I think you'll find the original project TONI cost about $25K to complete.

As stated, I love my big V8, but I acknowledge the 4.2TD Toyota motor has more power and probably about the same torque as the 6.5 naturally aspirated V8 Chev.

Parts for the Toyota motor would also be easier to get hold of in the future.

I did read that the brains behind the project TONI conversion was looking seriously at doing more of these conversions.

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Reply By: Eric Experience - Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 21:40

Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 21:40
Zapper
This does not sound like the over boost and bang problem.
Sounds like a normal oil cooler failure. If that's what it is, All he needs is a new oil cooler and an expert to lube the bores and get it free again. The vehicle is worth about $10.000 so it would be dumb to spend $14,000 on the motor. Eric
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Follow Up By: donk - Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 23:47

Wednesday, Jun 03, 2009 at 23:47
From what was described in the inital post i don't think it will be that simple

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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Thursday, Jun 04, 2009 at 02:17

Thursday, Jun 04, 2009 at 02:17
in just ONE word .... TOYOTA

Nissan must be getting sick an tired of the problems associated with this engine.
It appears to me to be the only engine with any complaints on the forum, never read about similar hassles with any Toyota engine.
Think if I owned one and it was out of warranty I would be offloading it asap to avoid expensive problems.
My Toyota has done over 600,000 and when it gives me trouble I will give it to someone for the scrap metal value.
Cost $15,400 new, so @ $640 per year it has been good value, that reminds me I must change the oil again later this year.

Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 06, 2009 at 08:12

Saturday, Jun 06, 2009 at 08:12
It's not that simple Mainey. Some of us ex Toyota owners have gone to Nissan due to the Cruiser's box cr@apping itself repeatedly and not having the cash or time to throw at keeping it on the road. 99 Cruiser 1HZ 2 g/box rebuilds and another one needed when I traded it on my GU and it was only 18mths old with 130 000km on the clock. NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! Gu Patrol, now 8 yrs old 380 000km on the clock and going like a freight train....go figure? the arguments that one is better than the other is not as simple as one persons experience with that one vehicle.

No simple answers for the original poster regarding his stuffed 3lt, any option will be big $$$$.

Cheers, Trevor.
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Friday, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:27

Friday, Jun 05, 2009 at 11:27


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Follow Up By: Member - Martin Princhester (V - Saturday, Jun 06, 2009 at 09:27

Saturday, Jun 06, 2009 at 09:27
What a card you must be Geoff!! And original!!
Martin.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Saturday, Jun 06, 2009 at 12:52

Saturday, Jun 06, 2009 at 12:52
Thanks Martin,

If you like the stickers that much you could drop by the Patrol forum and buy a few.

They are selling by the bucket full over that way.

Good to see a Nissan owner with a sense of humour!

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Reply By: Patrol22 - Saturday, Jun 06, 2009 at 00:04

Saturday, Jun 06, 2009 at 00:04
Folks - there are also many Nissans running around with very high Kms on the clock...and even some of those have the ZD30 donk. I know of one GQ4.2 with >500000km and one ZD 30 with >300000km on the original donk. Sure there have been problems but it is also true that Nissan was the first to go to the Euro designed diesel engines as well....which, probably unfortunately, is the way of the future ( well at least to the Euro5 and beyond standard build). Nissan certainly could've done better in terms of customer service but I'm increasingly wondering if this is more related to the recalcitrants in the head office (ie Renault) than the original Jap company that built the good reputation that has been progressively broken down over the past 8 or so years.
Just my musings and I may well be off track but I've now had 4 Nissans and 2 Toyotas and all have been great vehicles....not one better than the other....and one of those Nissans is a new D40. Guess I've been lucky but hey someone has to be now and then eh?
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