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Alex,

Somethings up with those conditions.

I can't find them on the CLC website.

CLC transit permit conditions

CLC entry permit conditions

If you were issued with a transit permit instead of an entry permit I would suggest, as Footy has, to contact the CLC and inform them of their error.

If you let us know where exactly you wish to go, then someone who has been on the same / similar trip could probably offer some advice, even comment on their written conditions.

Cheers
Alan

Hi Alan

The conditions I quoted were from the 23 Special Conditions added to the standard conditions that your link shows.

I am going from Alice Springs to Kintore, down the Sandy Blight Junction Road to the Great Central Highway and then east to Uluru.

I will get back to them as you suggest - I was just not wanting to become annoying by going back repeatedly

Alex

Hi Stephen

I don't think they were giving me flexibility. I originally said I would take about 5 days but wanted the permission for 2 weeks so that I could be flexible when I started. They originally gave me 2 days. I got back to them and pointed out that its over 900km and that it could not be done safely in 2 days and that I thought it should be 4 days minimum and they gave me four days.

I take the suggestion by others that I should contact them, but have already got back to them once. I did not want to keep annoying them, but guess I should get back again.

Hi Alex,
We did the similar route that you intend to do, but in reverse last year. From memory, you will require 5, yes 5 permits for the route. Two separate permits for the WA side and 3 permits for the NT side. All that we did was give then the proposed dates and hoped all worked out well, as we had to travel over 2000 kilometres from home to start the trip, we had lots of rain, so out timetable of proposed dates was thrown out of the window. What were supposed to do, pack up and come home - not if your life, The main thing is that you have the correct permits, at least you are showing them that you are trying to do the right thing.
When we had to camp in some remote places, we get well clear of the road and out of sight. I am not saying that this is the correct thing to do, but it is impossible to keep to their strict time table on where and when you should be where.

Have a great trip and make sure that you do the side trip to the top of the Sir Frederick Range - low range first and straight up. You will find our calling EO card in the tin in the rock cairn.


Cheers

Stephen

Hi Stephen

I assume you say 3 permits because the trip is over 3 roads. I only got one permit but it covers all three roads.

I had heard about Sir Fred range. Was interested, but don't have low range.

Alex

Hi Alex,
That seems very strange, as even though the travel in the NT is covered under the CLC, we had to have separate permits for each section, and from what I have noticed on the CLC web site under permits, they have not changed. Below are a list of all the permits that we required and were all separate:

1. Permit to travel from the National Park Boundary at the Olgas to the NT/WA Border. You will require this permit. from the CLC

2. Permit from the Ngaanyatjarra Council for travel from the WA Border to the Sandy Blight Junction Turn Off. You will require this permit from the Ngaanyatjarra Council in Alice Springs.

3. Permit to travel the Sandy Blight Junction Track inside WA to the NT Border from the Ngaanyatjarra Council - You will need this Permit.

4. Permit from the CLC to travel from the WA/NT Border to Past Kintore in the NT. - You will need this permit

5 Permit from the CLC for the Haasts Bluff Aboriginal Land that included passing through Papunya.


Unless things have changed only very recently, I think that you have not applied for enough permits, as there was not just one permit or is nor that covered all areas.


I would be very interested to know of any difference, as this years trip again requires 2 separate permits to get into and out of the NT into WA.


Cheers

Stephen

Interresting, Stephen

Never the less, the one permit I got from the CLC says
Name of Aboriginal Land Trust(s): Petermann and Haasts Bluff Aboriginal Land Trusts
Specific area(s) of entry: Tjukaruru Road, Kintore Road, Sandy Blight Road

I have told the Ngaanyatjarra Council that I wish to travel 2 and 3 above, so it remains to be seen whether they issue one or two permits.

Alex

Hi Alex
Lets hope that they are lifting their game. At least you have shown the correct concerns and applied for permits.

You will have a great trip, take your time and allow about 3 days on the Sandy Blight Junction Track.


Cheers

Stephen

Thats what I would like to do Stephen. Thats what the trek notes on ExplorOz say.

What about the Kintore road from the Tanami track into Kintore? Is it worth a good look or is it better to do it quickly to spend more time on Sandy Blight Junction road?

Alex

Hi Alex
There is some interesting scenery from Papunya out to Kintore. We spent one night out in the scrub half way between Papunya and Kintore. Do not rush any section, take your time and take it all in. When you drive into Kintore, the fuel bowsers are about 200 metres from the store. Check on the opening times, as they usually have very long lunch breaks. There are many fine locations along the SBJ Track to pull of the road for the most perfect camps. One day we could not resist one such location and pulled in at 2.30pm for a very early camp and just soaked up the atmosphere. That's what it is all about, taking your time and enjoying the scenery. You said that you do not have low range, but do not worry, you would only have need it if going to the top of the Sir Frederick Range. Under no circumstances try to do that track without low range, you will do lots of damage to you vehicle and could be very dangerous.

The most important advise is take your time and take it all in.


Have a great trip

Cheers

Stephen

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Hi Motherhen

I am surprised you got 3 weeks. I had initially asked for 2 weeks, wanting to give myself some flexibility but, as I said, got 2 days. Good to hear that a second application may work.

Yes, 2 of my special conditions were duplicates. Not sure what could be the reason behind that.

I applied for the WA permits at the same time (3 weeks ago) but have not got anything yet.

Hi Alex

Application form says maximum 21 days, so i gave the date taking the full time span. At the rate we are going, i may need to apply again, but as it was pretty well instant on line, it should be no trouble.

The WA side may be more of a problem if i have to change, as i haven't heard yet, and it says it can take weeks, and it was only last week i applied. Also i do not travel with a printer, so cannot print out the permit once we get going, so hope it comes within the three weeks - unlikely from your experience.

Poor proof reading.

Mh

Alex, have you heard from the DIA re WA side permit yet? I haven't, and we are due to leave internet connection in a few days time.

Mh

Not a peep, Mh

They said it takes up to 3 weeks. I posted my application 32 days ago.

Alex

I also have not heard from the CLC since I asked then about offering me a Transit permit for 4 days with ambiguous permission to camp. I guess I just run with the one I have

Finally got back to the thread Alex, thanks to help from other members when the search didn't pick up this thread. I am having problems with Exploroz.

Yes, just go with the one from CLC so long as it covers the roads you need. At least they send you the permit straight away, unlike the DIA.

Mh

Hi Alex

DIA website says -

"Reserves Marked with an Asterisk, are closed communities and require approval. If one of these is selected there will be a waiting time until your Permit is approved. This could take a number of weeks and is not guaranteed"

When i read that, i put in an application guessing at dates and can't even remember which dates i put, but think i put a two week span.

I am away from home and cannot access the email acknowledgement i got from them to see what they said about time frame. I don't think i included the dates i put on the application either. Did you get an email acknowledgement?

Mh

Hi Stephen

Sorry, but I did not read your last couple of posts that well: you asked about my application to the DIA. I applied to the Ngaanyatjarra Council, as they are the relevant body (according to the Permits part of ExplorOz). As far as I know they do not have a web site. I applied by post. I gave them my email address but have heard nothing by email or snail mail.

I just looked at the DIA and saw that I needed permission from them for the Great Central Hwy bit of my trip. I got it immediately on line (I gather there was no wait because I was not going into one of the places with an *)

Alex