Interstate registration
Submitted: Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:33
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Rossco 09
Has anyone had any experience with registering something like a motorhome in a state other than where they live? I currently live in NSW, but wanted to register a bus @ my parents house in VIC. Without having to move there for Licensing purposes, can I have a VIC registered bus on my NSW license, while the bus is based at their house in VIC?
Reply By: tim_c - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:39
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:39
Why would you do that? Is it because rego is half the price in Vic? Sure you can do it - if you register it under your parents' name. Might pay you to run it past "4wdNewby" - he found out the hard way that sometimes you end up a lot worse off when you try to rort the system...
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Follow Up By: Rossco 09 - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:46
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:46
Well, I'm not after a rort as such. It's just that from what I've seen so far, the rego for Motorhome buses is not as intensive in VIC as NSW (VIC seems much more straight forward too), so it would make sense to have it as the rego location.
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Reply By: The Landy - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 12:54
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 12:54
Short answer is now (long answer is as
well). Yuo must register it to your usual place of resisidence. All manner of insurance issues (void) if you don't.
Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 13:28
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 13:28
Hmmm, this is a topic that has no real definitive answer.
In short no...as you know...you should be registered in the state it resides.
I cant see any insurance issues other than the vehicle might have a cheaper/dearer insurance due to storage location but that that should not make much difference to a motorhome. Im sure the insurance company would be upset but there isnt much they can do about it...a motor
home is designed to be away from its normal location.
Being ex-defence I have had vehicles registered and insured in all states with all manner of licenses. My last 4 years of posting to
Sydney I had a QLD license and registration. I lived in Wodonga Vic on a WA license with a NSW registered car.
There is a need to bend the truth somewhat but with your parents in Vic it would be minimal bending to have the vehicle in your name and your parent address as the
home locality and registered there. Plenty of children that still have vehicles registered to the parent homes because they are transient and that is the most stable '
home' base while working around the country.
We have a national database for vehicle registation so the only reason the states enforce it if for their own revenue.
I have learnt that it is actually easier to do the right thing in the long term, you use much more energy trying to get around the laws than just abiding by them. So now all my cars, boat, trailer and bikes are all registered and insured in WA...the only place to be!!!!
Goodluck and make sure you have your story straight haha!!
Matt.
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Follow Up By: Rossco 09 - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 13:33
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 13:33
Was in the AirFarce myself and had this problem. Eventually I couldn't get away with using my parents place as my residential address. But that does leave the situation where someone spends their time 50/50 between 2 states and wants a vehicle in both locations. I think this is heading for a query to VicRoads.........
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 16:21
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 16:21
This is a
mine-field for people engaging in this activity……either inadvertently or intentionally.
Insurance companies have and will refuse claims if you answer something dishonestly in the policy application or fail to tell them when something has changed. One of their questions is always…where is the vehicle ‘normally’ kept?
Someone posted about a family member some time back that had precisely this happen when they submitted a claim, insurance company rejected it when they discovered the inconsistency.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 16:29
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 16:29
So Landy...
So where is a Motorhome being driven around aust continuously by a
grey nomad "normally" kept?
There has to be allowances and anyone with half a brain could justify their decision if the need arose.
Not that I encourage the practise but some people do not fit the mold of permanent and need flexabilty. I just advised it could be done but I now Im permanent I prefer and am able to abide by the registration regulations.
Matt.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 17:15
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 17:15
Hi Matt
Most don't travel continuously, for those that do I don't have the answer.
For those travelling continuously I'd say best to talk to the insurance company, like you I'm relating how it is, whether people want to do something different is up to them, but there are consequences which may not be acceptable.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 17:24
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 17:24
So let me get this right.
You agree that there isnt a blanket answer and there must be a solution with the insurance companies for people to technically reside in a state but have their vehicle nearly permanently outside that state.
So an intelligent person who has thought this through should be able to find a way to do this without compromising their insurance, since this happens everyday!
Wow that wasnt so hard and the sky didnt fall in...which is all I was saying in the first place. There are ways of getting things done and the insurance companies are not above the law either. If you have paid for a service and abided by the terms of the contract for that service then you can and should fight if they dont provide that service.
All the best
Matt.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 18:10
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 18:10
Hi Matt
No, what I said is insurance companies have and will refuse claims if you answer something dishonestly in the policy application or fail to tell them when something has changed. One of their questions is always…where is the vehicle ‘normally’ kept?
It is very possible that you could have a vehicle that isn't 'normally' kept at your place of residence, in which case you tell them where it is normally kept....but tell them you keep it at your parents place in Whoop Whoop when you really keep it at your place 1,000 klms from Whoop Whoop and the chances are they will reject a claim if and when you make one.
Insurance companies require you are honest in your duty of disclosure, if you aren't you may wear consequences that are not acceptable.
But hey, you and I could waste a lot of time on this when we'd be better off doing something else......cheers and good luck out there.
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Follow Up By: DIO - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 18:16
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 18:16
Australia does NOT have a national database for vehicle registrations. Police, who have a justifiable reason can access interstae MVD details through their own network. The States have an agreemnent that they will recognise vehicles visiting from another state provided they are registered with 3rd party (injury) insurance. However, if a person is resident in a state other than where their vehicle is registered - generally for more than 90 days (although that is not set in concrete) and have a job, their children attend school in said state then they will likely be pinched for unregistered and uninsured. In other words they are no longer deemed to be just a visitor. That's the whole purpose of states recognising other's rego, so that people can go on driving holidays etc. As for trying to 'beat the system' DONT as you will eventually get caught out - and it could be expensive.
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt (Perth-WA) - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 19:38
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 19:38
Who might you be preaching to DIO? How is it on your superfluous soapbox hahah!!
Tell me how a national database and a database that all states can access is different? Im sure you are old enough to remember the farce surrounding the capture of Brendan Abbot and how it continued for so long due to state police REFUSING to share information.
Who exactly are you referring to "beating the system" or is that just grandstanding? Since you posted in my reply I guess you missed the part when I said it is easier and better to abide by the laws.
Glad to see you still have the knack of making noise but contributing little. But if you have an answer to how people that travel for periods longer than the 90 days still abide by the laws and requirements of insurance in that state, then please contribute.
All the best
Matt.
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Reply By: Member - DW (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 16:51
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 16:51
I am aware that if you are pulled up by the Police, State irrelevant, and your registration, in your name, does not match your drivers license it will be deemed the motor vehicle is unregistered. Appropriate penalties will be incurred. The NSW Police get rid of hoons with this method quite regularly.
Also, I am aware of a plant mechanic who moved from Mt. Isa to live in a NSW country town, permanently, had changed his drivers license to NSW but had not done his ute. He rolled his ute on the way
home from a job with the result being the insurance company refused to pay a cent because his vehicle was deemed to be unregistered by NSW Police. He was charged and convicted of driving an unregistered vehicle.
So many people are unaware of the implications of trying to get cheap rego'.
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Reply By: The Landy - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 18:23
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 18:23
Hi Rossco
I re-read your original question after giving an initial repsonse above and given the bus is actually going to be parked at your parents may be a different issue altogether. I read it as being the bus would be with you in NSW, but registered to a Victorian address.
I think you would be best asking the question of the relevant authority in Victoria.
From an insurance perspective it should not be an issue providing it is normally parked where you tell them it is normally parked (at your parents).
Good luck and let us know how you get on.
Cheers
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Reply By: tonysmc - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 19:48
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 19:48
Despite what some have said above, yes you can register your bus in Victoria as long as it is stored there. In fact it is probably illegal not to do so. I currently live in the nt and have a number of vehicles (boat, trailers, bike, car) registered in Victoria at the address they are housed at. The rego papers are sent direct from the RTA in Victoria to my current address in the NT.
I have not looked into other states, however if a vehicle is in the NT for more than 3 months it is an offence not to change its rego NT. ( I realise many don't but still an offence) A vehicle should be registered where it is housed.
Regards Tony.
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Follow Up By: Rossco 09 - Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 at 07:57
Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 at 07:57
Thankyou Tony, this is exactly the info I was after. YES, the bus will definitely be parked at my parents house in Victoria for at least 14months. During that time I hope to have rego done, and then maybe I can pack up the family in NSW and hit the road..........
On the road, their house will continue to be the registered location. As far as insurance goes, I'm only interested in third party property and I'm sure anyone else who lives on the road will be able to advise a good company for that.
Cheers.
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Follow Up By: The Landy - Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:38
Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:38
Hi Rossco
I came across this website that discusses some of the issues facing Motor-
Home owners who are travelling for indefinite periods...you might find it interesting as it discusses some insurance pitfalls.
Full time travellers face insurance gaps in Australia
Good luck
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Reply By: Member - Steve & Paula - Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 22:59
Tuesday, Jun 09, 2009 at 22:59
The problem for us is this. We live in WA. In October we will be picking up our Quantum crossover in Queensland (only made there and no agent in WA). We intend to drive it back
home and register it legitimately in WA but plan to spend 3 or 4 weeks travelling
home. Licensing is a big issue for us. We either need to have someone lie for us on the Qld paperwork and say the van will be garaged there or get an interim licence. The problem with the interim license is it only lasts for 7 days. A quick trip back to WA in any terms!
We are not trying to rort any system and will legitimately license the van in our
home state on return. Our only other option is to pay $2,800 to have the van shipped over. If we get the vehicle ourselves we get a holiday as
well!
Still working it thorough.
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Follow Up By: Rusty NE VIC - Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 at 08:39
Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 at 08:39
just get an ureg vehicle permit from QLD tranport used to be able to get them for any length of time up to 30 days
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Follow Up By: tonysmc - Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 at 08:45
Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 at 08:45
Steve and Paula, You may have another problem with an interim rego/permit and that is that you may not be allowed to carry items inside. I bought a trailer in Victoria and wanted to register it in the NT. I had to bring it to the NT using a permit so they could see it before registering it. At the last minute I found out that with a permit you are not allowed to carry anything in the trailer until it has full registration. This defeated the whole purpose of buying a trailer down there as I wanted it to cart some gear to the NT. Things may have changed since then, however it is unbelievable that a roadworthy in one state is not recognized in another state.
Good luck
Tony.
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Follow Up By: Brian B (Brisbane) - Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 at 22:16
Wednesday, Jun 10, 2009 at 22:16
Hi,
The unreg vehicle permit in QLD can only be used to take the vehicle either to hqave a safety certificate inspection or to get work carried out for the inspection I think. My son had one a while back on an FJ40 he had and was stopped by police for no number plates on the vehicle. When the police saw his permit they then made very sure that was where he was goiing as they told him any other travel is outside of the permit cover.
Have a good one.
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