No More Patrols (4800's) till Oct/Nov

Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 12:39
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Based on almost unbelieveable price of $53k on road for
the only mainstream coil sprung live axles wagon left, I put my toes
in the water for one, only to find out that they are completely sold out.

A new 2009 plated shipment will arrive in Oct/Nov and it
will exactly the same thing according to dealer.
They will accept orders now but at $55 not $53.

This supports rumors that new Patrol release will be delayed till late
next year and maybe 2011 for Australia.

The only other thing to come out of my recent research was that
the new Prado will be wider (overcoming a concern I have with them) but will probably have same diesel engine (which I find marginally underpowered).
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Reply By: Member - Timbo - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 13:16

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 13:16
Hi Robin,

Check out Nissan's New Car Diary on a site I stumbled across the other day. I'm not sure how reliable it is but suggests the redesigned Patrol will be released in Oz in 2011.

If you told your Nissan dealer you were ready to sign on the line at $53k but would walk out the door if the best price possible was $55k, I think he'd still accept your order! :)
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 14:26

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 14:26
2006 Article quoting Nissan, "All New Patrol" to be released in 2008

All New Patrol in 2008

2008 Article quoting Nissan Boss, "Alll New Patrol" to be released in 2010

All New Patrol in 2010

2009 Article quoting Nissan Australia CEO "New Patrol at least two years out from now."

New patrol at least 2 years out

I wouldn't hold my breath.

It will be released in [whatever date you read this] plus 2 years.



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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 13:53

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 13:53
G/Day Robin

Was that $53 for a Manual or Auto? I'm looking at getting a extra one for the business, thats a good deal.

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 14:59

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 14:59
You cant buy a Blandcruiser or Patrol in Manual any more, Its funny how the car manufacturers know whats best for us, isnt it?? Michael
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 15:02

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 15:02
So what is a Landcruiser Troopy and Prado classed as, if they are not Landcruisers?? LOL

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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 15:04

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 15:04
I meant the mainstream models, not the hanger on models..LOL!!!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 15:07

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 15:07
Hey Kev, Prado is not a landcruiser really, Toyota just used the well known Lancruiser name to promote the smaller body... clever little Japanese!! Michael
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 15:10

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 15:10
But it is getting bigger even Robins is beginning to like it hahahaha


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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 19:09

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 19:09
Heres an add Daza - first time even a salesman never got back to me !


http://www.northernmotors.com.au/nissan-patrol.html


Now you guys , we have brought 3 RAV4s now, and they even call those Landcruisers , mind you the rav has grown a lot lately and has a high powered V6, and they claim it can leap tall buildings -- No! No! don't think that way Robin.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 12:37

Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 12:37
Interesting, Robin. I just checked the link and sure enough: Patrol from $52,990. If they are still advertising at that price, technically they are obliged to honour the offer.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jul 03, 2009 at 10:53

Friday, Jul 03, 2009 at 10:53
I gave them a hard time re your comment Tim , and they realize now they have an out of date web page up - the salespeople are unsure about how to remove it - but they assure me more are coming and will contact me when they do !
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Jul 03, 2009 at 11:06

Friday, Jul 03, 2009 at 11:06
Good on you! I wouldn't accept their excuse about 'unsure how to remove the ad' either - they managed to get the web page up there when they wanted to, surely it's easier to delete something than to publish it?!

Are you looking to upgrade to something newer, or expand your 'fleet'?
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Friday, Jul 03, 2009 at 11:46

Friday, Jul 03, 2009 at 11:46
"Patrol from $52,990" All thet have to say is "from current stock only" Next shipment charge what they like.

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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Friday, Jul 03, 2009 at 12:35

Friday, Jul 03, 2009 at 12:35
Hi Tim

The 4800 has been a seriously good and relatively low cost option so I have
saved all the bickes and have all options open at the moment.

Most of all I fear spending $60000+ and ending up with a less capable vehicle.

A new Patrol isn't quite as capable as a 2002 model but while the performance deficenices can be overcome its still a compromise on range/cost to run.

With this in mind ,if I had of got it, it would have gone straight on gas
and I would keep the current one for more vigorous local trips.

A new wider Prado, might be ok , but often Toyota bring out new body/old engine combinations and you know it will be two years and a new engine will come along in an attempt to maximize sales.

Under this senario I wouldn't go with a Prado, so perhaps a delay of 3 months
will see the basic specs of it revealed and this may seal the deal on a Patrol,
or (I'm day dreaming here) a basic 200 series might come along.
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 15:19

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 15:19
I remember some years back where Lancruiser used to sell about 1200 a month and Patrol used to sell about half of that.. The Patrol figures must be pathetically low now. Hey Robin, What about a new 3.0 litre TDI ?? There must be plenty of them sitting in a holding yard somewhere that no one loves!! Michael
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 21:22

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 21:22
Robin.
I find it amusing how you never miss a chance to justify buying a petrol 4x4.
You have done such a good job that you have convinced yourself, I look forward to reading the justification for buying a second one, re minds me of a mother defending here children. Enjoy you new toy. Eric.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 21:36

Wednesday, Jul 01, 2009 at 21:36
Personal choice Eric.

Some like the way diesels drive, some prefer petrol.

I've read Robin's ideas, they make sense economically as well as practically. The 4.8 Nissan is one fine vehicle, oodles more power and torque than its diesel brothers. And in the long term (all factors considered) cheaper to run.

And face it, neither of the Nissan diesels would pull the skin off a custard, whereas the 4.8 is a firebreather by comparison.

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Follow Up By: Blaze (Berri) - Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 00:48

Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 00:48
I dont mind Robin pushing the petrol 4X4, makes lots of sense to me for 95% of owners in Australia. Only thing he could add to make the arguement better is to add LPG into it for most of us, even the oilers are slowly excepting that LPG is the way to go.

Last trip to the high country my low torque petrol had to drive up a track, then winch a Mr Warfers Toyota Hilux Diesel hi torque rig up the same track LOL

Ok Robin I assisted a little now I'm ducking.. hehehe





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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 08:25

Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 08:25
Hi Guys

Now Eric , be fair to me , I seem to remember reffering to a diesel Prado in the same post if stability issues are fixed in next model.

I'm simply an engineer brought up on a lifetime of making descisions based on facts.

From reading various posts you probably gathered we have a 4wd property and
constantly have others vehicles come and play to go beyond the brochures and find out what really works.

If Nissans GU had of hada diesel that approached the performance of the 4800 I'd be buying it for sure.


Seperate subject - I just notice that all the replies in this thread came to my email address - but none of the followups have - must keep a watch out on this.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 12:21

Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 12:21
Eric: "You have done such a good job that you have convinced yourself"

Actually, it most often works the other way - it's been said that the easiest person to fool is yourself. After we've done that, we set about trying to convince everyone else!

No, I'm not saying Robin is fooled into buying a petrol. Personally, I think I'll be buying diesel next time for better touring range and safer to carry extra fuel in jerries - I'd rather compromise on performance.

Robin, followUps to your followUps should still go to your email.
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Reply By: Eric Experience - Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 22:49

Thursday, Jul 02, 2009 at 22:49
Robin.
If your happy then I am happy. See you in the bush. Eric.
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