V8 Toyota 200 series ute !
Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 04:58
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Member - Bucky, the "Mexican"
Well I have done it !
I finally relented and had a drive of a new Toyota Ute, loaded up to the hilt with the mates work gear.
WOW !.......... is all I can say, It's brilliant. Certainly a gem of a thing to drive.
All that power, and responsive.
At present he gets about 13-14 lts/100 km loaded, and it's coming down.
C'mon Nissan, you have a bit of catching up to do. !
Cheers
Bucky
Reply By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 06:58
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 06:58
Hey Bucky,
And if Nissan don't pull their finger out, I'll take it you'll be coming over to the Yota
camp.
We've got room for a few more, I'll save ya a
seat.
LOL ;)
I haven't driven one yet, I believe they're a nice ride.
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Reply By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 07:01
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 07:01
A V8 200 series ute...???? Do you mean a 76 series V8 ute or have you cut down a 200 series wagon...???
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 08:22
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 08:22
I was wondering that also Don.
Never the less I have booked a
test drive in a 200 series this week.
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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 08:37
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 08:37
Ask them about there oil usage issues, ours is not good.
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:35
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:35
Mine uses about one litre every 3-4000km now that I have done in excess of 20,000km. They said it would settle after that, we'll have to wait and see but that doesn't seem too excessive.
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Follow Up By: Mark S (cns) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:44
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:44
Hi Robin
I would assume you are testing the V8 petrol? No oil issues there & $10k less. Will be interesting to see what you think of this against your 4.8
Mark
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Follow Up By: Foxhound (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:06
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:06
My 76 Series Wagon has only done 12000 K and has already stopped useing oil. About 90% of that 12000 K has been towing a 20 Ft Van, I belive that is the answer to stopping oil burn in these engines, they are not getting enough work to bed the rings in. If you have nothing heavy to tow try some heavy sand driving and make the engine work, it may solve the problem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Sydney. - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:27
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:27
Robin,
I was talking to my contact at a big 4WD servicing centre and he said 200 Series owners were going nuts over dust entry into their cars.
He said Toyota were about to bring out an updated design which is meant to remedy some of the faults in the current offereings.
Willie
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:00
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:00
Hi Guys
I have found toyota hang around you like a motherhen on a
test drive, whereas
Nissan just gave me the keys and said come back in an hour.
To get better data on these things , I carry a GPS programmed as an accelerometer which sometimes provides interesting info and also things you'd rather not know if you leave it in your car during a service.
No Mark , I don't care diesel or petrol just its performance which includes range.
To consider this petrol ,
well it has the power , but you would have to believe its 14.5 lt/100km fuel use is real , this beats my 16.5 in Patrol but then the diesel is worth 10k extra in fuel over 6-7 years use, but definately not 20k.
Willee , I hear there are several improvements on the way including a bigger petrol - I guess this means you would have to get a very good price to buy the current build , I'm guessing 65k on road for petrol and 80k for diesel would be fair value.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:09
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:09
Hi Willie,
Many of the dust issues are related to the wiring install for the towbar. While the towbar receiver is built-in at the factory, the wiring for it requires the 3rd row seats to be removed, both side panels removed and the rear plastic trim (across the tailgate opening) to be removed. This wiring install is a really dumb system, should have been designed better in the factory to allow for a single clip-in connector - or included ex-factory in the exorbitant purchase price.
Each of these clips has the potential to allow dust entry - all have a small washer that is often lost during install (I found several of
mine under the rear trim). Also, the grommet is often not replaced properly and this is the most common source of dust. I have been on many a gravel road and have no dust ingress, but I also use the fan on high (fresh) to allow pressurisation too. I reckon its more an installation and driver education issue, no different to most vehicles IMHO.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: Stu-k - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 16:16
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 16:16
Using about the same as you Don but its done 30k. But no towing or heavy work, I would think to late now, rings wont
seat any better now.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky, the "Mexican"- Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 03:58
Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 03:58
Sorry Guy's
My Toyota series model No.s info, leaves a lot to bedesired.
But this worktruck (whatever series No. it is ) is a real beauty.
Not using any oil either.
But in reading some posts here over the last year or so , since their release, there has been some running in issues. Maybe faulty rings, or the wrong running in oil ?
Who knows ?
Cheers
Bucky
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 07:54
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 07:54
They might ride nice!, but after looking at one hooked up to a large van,it looked, like a mouse towing a elephant! For something that has the same interior that my old dyna tipper has, the overall cost of the thing, not to mention the feeble looking size of the thing, IMHO, i think its a very pathetic effort from Toyota as far as a big strong work ute is concerned, its just to small.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:32
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:32
Compared to what...??? A Kenny...??? Its as big or bigger than most work utes in Oz. Compared to an F250 or Silverado..,
well yes it is smaller than those but a bit bigger than the old 70 series..., wider due to the V8 I understand.
But it is not SMALL...
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:38
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:38
Axle,
the trayback looks alright in front of a van.
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so does the 200 Series
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:04
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:04
Nice units Gone Bush, The 200series looks big strong and it is that!.
I have the 100s nice unit also.
The utes ,dont have that same robust appeal as far as i'm concerned.
If Nissan put a V8 in the Latest GU, tray back they would have a more appealing vehicle. but thats only my opinion and we all have one....lol.
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 12:21
Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 12:21
Axle, but then they'd have to put up with that annoying whining from the tree-huggers - whether it used more fuel or not would be irrelevant, it would be "just socially and environmentally irresponsible" for Nissan to even consider 8cyl! ;)
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Reply By: donk - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:36
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:36
Just to clarify the codes for those who dont know
76 is the 4 door wagon
78 is the 2 door troopy
79 is the cab chassis
200 series is the replacement for the 100 series station wagon
The 7# series has a single turbo & the 200 series has two turbo's
Both can have oil cunsumptions issuse (different reason on the 7# to the 200 series though) but a fix is available (contact you dealer)
Regards Don
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:39
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 09:39
Thanks Don, I am always confused about the numbering of the latest 7* series. So I guess he is talking about the 78 series??
By the way, what does K stand for...my initials are DKM, the K is Ken(neth)
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:08
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 11:08
Hi Don M,
I'd suggest he is talking about the 79 Series when he says ute as it is the only one one in the Landcruiser range with a tray.
Geoff
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Reply By: Dunedigger - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:35
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 12:35
I am hanging out for the next build, happening now in whatever country they are built in. Slightly new dash, and 2 airbags. Thh new V8 engins seems as tough as nails except for some reported oil use issues. Not sure if the track in the back axle is being widened though
Dunedigger
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Reply By: austastar - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 14:27
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 14:27
If Mr Rover would build a defender cab-chassis and Mr T would fix the wheel track difference, and Mr N would put in a big diesel, this little black duck would go shopping.
cheers
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 12:23
Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 12:23
:) Then you'd be confused with so much choice!
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Follow Up By: austastar - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 14:59
Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 14:59
First wish Granted!
The August 4x4 mag is advertising a 130 and a 110 cab chassis defender.
Yay!
Come on Mr T and Mr N, get your act together.
cheers
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Reply By: Member - Flynnie (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 19:35
Wednesday, Jul 08, 2009 at 19:35
I have had a 70 (79) series V8 trayback for 3 months now and it is brilliant.
Issues so far.
Radio antenna needed fixing. That's it - end of story.
Non issues, That imaginary stuff that everyone has heard someone say. Now who was it?
Heavy oil consumption. Non existent problem. From what I can gather some may have had an issue with this but me and two other blokes who have them where I live have no problem either. I suspect that there has been a mid term fix for this quietly introduced and that it is retro fitted as need to the occasional problem vehicle, some early ones? The V8 has been around over 2 years now.
Front track is wider than the back so that means the back wheels don't follow the front. Hey where else can they go? Non existent problem. I once imagined I could feel the back wheels taking a slightly different line on a slippery dirt road. Non problem. I have not towed with it yet so offer no opinion on whether under certain conditions some quirks show up in certain towing situations.
Two problems not usually reported are.
The seats are poor. Budget for new seats or a new back. Stratos
suspension seat was my choice. It makes an enormous difference.
Glare from intercooler bulge on bonnet. Sometimes really bad glare.
Phantom vehicle choices.
I would have liked a Patrol coil cab with a modern six or eight motor and a chassis that didn't crack. The F250 with better quality control would have been OK as well. Pity they don't exist on the market.
What about the often reported future landcruiser ute with every known issue fixed? Should be good. Front track and back track within a millimetre of each other. Never uses oil, has a little more leg room. Has airbags in every location, front, side curtain etc. While at it, it has rear coils that are supple but never sag under load. Also ABS , traction control, permanent 4 wheel drive etc etc etc.
Such a vehicle would be great . But it does not exist and probably never will. In the real world of choices it is pretty simple. If you want a trayback that can carry a heavy load up and down hills with ease the only choice is the landcruiser. If flatter ground and lighter loads are all that is needed there are lots of choices out there.
The landcruiser V8 ute is a much better vehicle than it should be. It is a curious mix of old and new bits but somehow they just work together brilliantly.
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