My first Tojo question, I'm excited!!!!!
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TONI has just suddenly developed a tiny blemish in the gloss.
Just this week the Tojo 1HD-FTE motor starts and then immediately stops, restarts are then no problem and she runs as sweet as ever.
I am yet to have a look at this, but I suspect an air leak in the fuel lines "somewhere"
Question to all you guys, with those perfect Tojos that never have a problem, LOL
Where do you suggest I start my search for this leak? Hose clamps, Unions, injector pipes etc, etc.
Am I correct in my assumption? could it be something else?
Cheers Colin.
Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 19:29
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 19:29
Fuel pump primer possibly
Cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 19:32
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 19:32
Yep Kev, you seem to be paying attention, good one.
Now get back to the telly and watch the Blues humiliate your Cane Toads, LOL
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 19:29
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 19:29
Told ya so. look out next year, toad. LOL
Colin.
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Reply By: Members Paul and Melissa (VIC) - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 19:42
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 19:42
Yep,check the hoses and fittings as they probably dont have clamps on them(factory TDs dont) and the primer assembly,it may have developed a leak or ckeck to see if the filter is on tight and gasket is in place.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 19:49
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 19:49
Thanks Paul, will do.
I guess what I'm looking for is anything peculiar to these engines, not to suggest the engines are peculiar mind you, rather any particular traits they may have.
Thank you again Paul, Colin.
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Reply By: tim_c - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 19:52
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 19:52
Since you've phrased your question like that, you should start by checking all the original Nissan bits... :)
Seriously, I'd be checking anywhere that the original Nissan system has been joined/connection onto the later-fitted Toyota bits - I'd imagine this would be the most likely source of problems.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:09
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:09
Ha Ha HA
The only thing left WAS the Nissan fuel
tank, and even thats now a Longranger, LOVL (laughing out very loud)
Colin.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:21
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:21
Oh.
Well in that case and as a last resort: perhaps it's time to start looking at the Toyota bits?!
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:38
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:38
Tell me Tim
Your one Toyota eye, is it left, right or center of your forehead, LOL LOL
Cheers Colin.
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:46
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:46
Colin - definately a Nissan part somewhere.
Seriously, could it have been electrical rather than fuel. Maybe one of the wires from the computer to the pump. Maybe the Fuel Shutoff.
Regards
Dick
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:01
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:01
Gday Dick (not you too, bugger!!!!)
Jason (Total Care 4WD) will be doing a pre trip soon and will look further into it if I dont find anything, I'm a great beliver in the KISS theory, so lets start there first. I will keep your thoughts in mind if the need arises after that.
Thanks mate, Colin.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:01
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:01
Never owned a Toyota, Colin (or a Nissan for that matter) - I just couldn't resist a dig after the way you wrote the original post about perfect Toyotas... :)
Seriously, hope you can find the problem and it's a simple fix - sorry to have wasted your time with useless banter.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:03
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:03
tim I'm cool mate, I do enjoy the banter, Thanks, Colin
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Follow Up By: Member - Dick (Int) - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 23:20
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 23:20
Colin
You need to find it before October.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 07:59
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 07:59
Have no fear Dick it will be perfect by then. Colin.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:50
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:50
It will never be perfect untill you throw away the Nissan body, chassis etc, etc.....LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Duke (TAS) - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 19:27
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 19:27
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Had the same problem with my 100Series. Two weeks ago fitted a CAV Filter before the original filter and every morning when starting Eng. would run then stop. Pulled CAV Filter apart and fitted Fleetguard Element, which had better rubber seals than original and have had no more problems.
Duke.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 19:31
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 19:31
Problem solved,
I drained the fuel filter out and a small amount of
water was in the bottom of the filter, this has solved the problem it seems, starts first go again and restarts after sitting for some time on the first go again.
See it was a tojo part that was at the root of this issue, I TOLD YOU ALL SO.
LOL
Colin.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 23:06
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 23:06
It was obviously Nissan
water trying to bring the Toyota bits down.
The Toyota bits where way too smart for that one and just cut it off at the pass.
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Reply By: Wherehegon - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:37
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:37
Na gotta be some thing related to the original nissan bits !!!! LOL Sounds like your on the right track to fuel. As mentioned above Id be checking all the lines where they have possibly been cut or what ever to attach them together...Nissan/Toyota... Hope all is OK by the time comes around for the day trip... Regards Steve
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:41
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:41
Steve, MATE
All's good right now, it's just a minor annoyance thats all. I'm sure the offending "TOJO" part will be found and rectified as nothing is left of the Nissan fuel system, not even the sub tank. BUGGER eh!!!!!
Cheers Colin.
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:38
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:38
Just can't work you out Col !!, why not take it to your closest Nissan service centre??.....:)))))))))).
Cheers Axle.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:44
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:44
Dont tempt me Axle, I'm likley to do that, just to rub their collective noses in it.....;-)))
Colin.
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:42
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:42
the Troopy has done 145000 kms since new and no problem with the engine at all
Richard
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:47
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:47
Tell that to Paul and Melissa (VIC) above.
61000 Km's and a snapped crank shaft in thier 1HD-FTE LC.
Oh what a feeling, "broke motor"
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:52
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:52
They must have done something wrong, Not many engines brake by then self ;-) Oh what a feeling
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: Members Paul and Melissa (VIC) - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 17:03
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 17:03
Do tell Richard what i may have done wrong?? sometimes things do go wrong as in our case it did-horribly wrong. the injector pump failed causing a chain of events that led to the motor being under and overfuelled on different cylinders causing crank stress and ultimate breakage. nothing was detected until the rattle at the end which was its end. so i await what it was that i did to cause this:(((
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 21:14
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 21:14
Paul hi..
don't get me wrong, but everything has a cause, mot are human not machine, if you know the reason please share,
By the way my comment was to Colin with tongue in
check.
I hope you have a better run with the newie
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Jul 17, 2009 at 02:26
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Reply By: Max10 - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:46
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:46
It sounds like the low oil pressure switch. If it senses low oil pressure it will turn off the engine a few seconds after first cold start. Next start will increase pressure hence it will run properly and not trip the cut iut. It could need an oil change or have a bit of muck in it. They are more prone to do this in colder months as the oil is thicker on start up and does not circulate properly on first start. Was a common problem in teh 80's.
Its unlikely to be an air leak in the fuel lines as it would do it all the time you tried to run it. Fuel line leaks are unlikely to be intermitttant. They either leak or they dont.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:51
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 20:51
Max10
The oil was changed just 2000k (6 weeks) ago and the oil is as pristine as brand new, but I will not dismiss that thought though, thanks.
Colin.
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Follow Up By: Malleerv - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:48
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:48
Maybe its a problem with the oil filter draining back. I think they have a valve in them to stop drainback. Next time you start it
check if the oil pressure light goes out before the engine stops.
Matt
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Reply By: Flywest - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:37
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:37
Fuel filter.
As likely you know - there's a water separator filter on the priming pump part of the fuel delivery line.
IF you get water into the bowl - usually the warning light will come on to show water in fuel, however being a nissan dash etc maybe you don;t have that light? - hence no where to illuminate the w3ater problem - because there was no where to connect the warning light wire during the conversion.
IF that's the case (or if the water warning light circuit is not working) it is just possible that the water separator once it starts to get full - actually blocks the passage of fuel to the engine.
Just a guess mind you!
Could also be oil pressure cut out - maybe your oil filter anti reverse oil flow valve is screwed andthe oils draining back to the sump overnight.
As others have said - when you start there's not enough oil pressure for the oil pressure switch to not cut the engine out at initial start up.
I'd be changing your oil and filter and not skimping with discount filters that might fot but bnot have the valve to stop oil flowing back to the sump overnight.
Good luck - its half Toyota so I'll give this short half hearted reply - what ever's wrong with the Nissan parts on it is your problem LOL ;o)
Cheers
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Reply By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:50
Wednesday, Jul 15, 2009 at 21:50
Hi Colin,
I think this is very serious!! I think the Nissan body is rejecting the donor organ (toyo engine). I thought you would have had the Nissan on Anti Rejection drugs long ago!!! :) Michael
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 07:55
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 07:55
Ha Ha Ha
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:27
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 03:27
On Patrol & TONI
Just because the engine stopped does not mean a fuel problem, it could have been an electrical problem ,#1 like a loose wire contact to the fuel pump solenoid which would act the same as turning off the Ign' key, #2 a loose contact on the Ign' key barrel,
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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:38
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 12:38
Im not sure if these have the same set up as the 1HZ,although they must shut off the fuel somehow.
I tried to help out some english fellow once as he was having intermittent cut outs in his 100 series.
I advised him to check for loose contacts to the solenoid but his mechanics said it didnt have one.
They kept telling him he needed a new fuel pump which he did in the end and it cost him something like 2500 pounds.
This was after about 3-4 trips to a dealer.
I couldnt see why it needed a whole new pump if it was fine when it ran.
Maybe its like the Prado pumps that have unrepairable electronics.
Saw the same with a Scottish tour bus owner ,who had the same engine in his Coaster.
He was claiming the dealer had sent him to the point of bankruptcy over their inabilty to fault find an intermittent cut out to the fuel pump.
He had to hire old buses off his competitors to fulfill his contracts.
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Reply By: Member - Fourplayfull - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:21
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 11:21
Ensure you are using genuine Toyota oil filter - had a problem when parked on steep incline motor would refuse to idle when using aftermarket filter .
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:55
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 14:55
Cheapest thing to do is replace all rubber fuel lines and fit with new clamps. I have seen a few bad hoses in fairly new vehicles that let air in but not a big enough crack to let diesel out. Nearly impossible to find so replace them all might cost you $15.
Usually play up after sitting all night but after running fine all day.
Cheers
Dave
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Reply By: On Patrol & TONI - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 19:22
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 19:22
Problem solved,
I drained the fuel filter out and a small amount of water was in the bottom of the filter, this has solved the problem it seems, starts first go again and restarts after sitting for some time on the first go again.
See it was a tojo part that was at the root of this issue, I TOLD YOU ALL SO.
LOL
Colin.
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Follow Up By: Horacehighroller - Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 23:12
Thursday, Jul 16, 2009 at 23:12
Probably sucked the water out of the rusty old Nissan fuel line.
Cheers, Peter
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