A push for bull bars by insurance company's

gday marcus.
thats the way. you can imagine getting an insurance quote.
do you have a bull bar no. ok do you live in the city no.
ok then with bull bar $400. if you live in the country
$600 with out a bull bar if you live in the country.but you will have to pay an excess if you have an accident in the city.
and for city drivers $600 with $400 with out and pay an excess if you leave the city.
dont laugh to loud it wouldnt suprise me if they did something stupid like that.šqUC3<BuIL

However the story in Sundays Sydney Sun Herald today will get far more attention. large spread on case of Mother in 4wd running over someone elses kid at school. I don't know what the answer is but that sort of emotive story is the sort of thing that will evnntually lead to them being banned no matter how much safer they make driving in the bush. Remember facts are not allowed to get in the way of a good story. You must all remember the contoversy about reversing over kids in 4WD's. The fact they ignored was many cars have worse reversing view than 4WD The worst tested being the ubiquitous Holden Commodore Wagon
Maybe someone out there can come up with a detachable Bullbar? Or perhaps more of us need to make the decision to go without them if we spend the majority of our time in places we DONT REALLY need them.
I once heard it suggested that as a safety device they should all have to be painted lime green and Orange!!! So as less people would have them just because they think they looked good!. Would be interesting to see if suddenly a lot of the "Paddington/Carlton/Beaumont/Nedlands" (pick yr state) 4WD brigade suddenly decided that they wern't entirely neccesary?........ Or would they just paint their vehicles to match or get thier kids to spread mud on em on the weekends?????

Doesn't matter what legislation is passed, can't legislate for stupidity. Work just provided me with a new series11 Dunnydoor and that has sensors mounted in the rear bumper(read cheap plastic crap) that beeps when reversing near any object and gets faster and louder the nearer you get. Maybe essential for those kid transporters. At least is saves you reversing by braille.Al Symers

Bigget problem with the Bull bar as we know it now is how aggesive it is to another vehical or person you hit with it!
The car insurance company are in a quarndry over this one as they can see that the vehcials fitted with bars suffer less damage in minor accident, on the other hand what they hit with the bull bar suffers more damage. if it's a person that gets hit by a vehical then insurance company could end up paying out millions for one persons injuryies!

In a major accident the bull bar does Nothing at all to protect the occupants of the car & if poorly designedwill increase the chances of them & the occupants of anything that they hit being killed.(starts crumpling the cars chassis/sub frame before bodywork gets to absorb impact energy)

If they where to introduce a law requireing that bull bars be painted up in fluro colours & reflective striped like an ambulance or tow vehical, I would do it to my bull bar to keep it on, the w*nkers that fit them as a Status symbol probably would look for something else to pose with.... I think a lot of people would feel this way. you are dammed if you do & dammed if you don't on this one! anyone got any experence with a SHOOROOO ?????

Too true about the Wedgies.... I nearly hit one on the silver city Hwy, snacking on a fresh road kill Skippy, sure would have not liked that to come flying thru the windscreen!!!!!

Old Ambulance Saying (which applies to drivers mentioned in The Paper article on Bullbars) You cant cure Stupid!

IF you dont want your child to be injured by me in my fourby driving within the speedlimit, on teh correct side of the road, and a 0.00 blood alcohol, teach them not to run onto the road. I know you cant watch the billy lids for every second, but we need to take some responsibility for our own actions and stop trying to blame others for every thing that goes wrong in our lives (like the Spetics do, I break my finger nail on your table, I'll sue ya!)

There, I'll get down off my soap box now

Shaun

PS what about rear steps then, someone runs into that at a rate or knots, no crumple zone there, just like running into a bull bar

In refererance to kids walking out in front of you ------ was browsing the net yesterday and came across updated fines for various traffic offences here in Vic.

eg Running a red light in a car $ 165
Running a red light on a bicycle $ 20
Running a red light on foot (Pedestrian Crossing) $ 15

Makes you wonder

Peter L