Severe Penalties
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:03
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Member - Kiwi Kia
Hi All,
I have seen various signs ie.
Birdsville Track that say that if you travel on these roads when they are officially closed then you are liable for a "Severe Penalty"
Has anyone actually heard of a "Severe Penalty" being imposed and what was the penalty ? I have heard lots of 'around the
camp fire' stories like, $1,000 a wheel - is this correct ?
KK
Reply By: Outbackogre - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:29
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:29
We recently camped at Mutawinji National
Park (north of
Broken Hill), while waiting for the Silver City Hwy to open. The
ranger told us it was $10,000 per wheel, mainly to deter commercial operators who used to factor 'fixed fine' into their overheads. Fortunately the road opened the next day and we were able to proceed to
Tibooburra. Cheers.
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Reply By: Dave B ( BHQ NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:55
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:55
If
no vehicles travel on the road when it is wet, it will dry out in the same condition it was in before the rain.
If vehicles travel on the road while it is wet, they slip and slide around bit and leave great ruts in the road when it dries out.
We all know that there is rarely a grader on the roads nowadays because of the great cost for maintenance, so that is why they close the roads.
It can be really dangerous driving along and getting caught in someone else's wheel tracks. If those tracks are wandering from one side to the other, what's your chances of getting caught in those tracks and perhaps a rollover will result.
I have seen it happen.
What would you say if you finished up having an accident because you got caught in someone else's tracks. Bear in mind, if the road is closed, and you have an accident, none else will be along shortly to render assistance.
Road closures are just one of the things you have to factor in if you go bush.
They will open the roads as soon as possible because there are graziers and all manner of other people whose existence relies on the road systems.
Dave
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 13:35
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 13:35
Yeah Kiwi!
I cant believe you even suggested tearing around on the muddy roads, chewing them up and making them dangerous for others! How inconsiderate of you to even think about travelling into the bush without factoring these things into your trip plans!........
Ohhh...hang in....you didnt....you just asked what the penalty was...woops....sory
Err I dont know.....LOL
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 13:40
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 13:40
Yep Hairy you are right :-))
Dave B. I totally agree with you. My question was rather clear I thought. What are the Severe Penalties ?
I am sure that we have all heard stories around the
camp fire but I am interested in what exactly are the facts ?
KK
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Reply By: austastar - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 13:53
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 13:53
A cobber of
mine was out back NSW on a black clay road, when he noticed rain coming in from the horizon.
Heading back to the bitumen, with only a few km to go it started to rain, the road got slippery and the clay started clinging to his tyres and getting flung up into the wheel arches.
He was very pleased to get off the clay, did little damage to the road or vehicle, but said he could see the potential for major problems if he had to continue for many more km.
cheers
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Reply By: Dave B ( BHQ NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 13:58
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 13:58
Sorry KK, I wasn't aiming the reply at you personally..
It's a good subject you brought up, and I didn't address your question.
I have heard that penalties include the cost of repairing (regrading) the sections damaged by vehicles travelling the closed road. So, if that's the case, the penalties could be variable.
I emphasise that I have only heard that though.
Councils and National Parks Rangers probably have authority to administer fines/penalties in their own areas.
Sometimes it is not hard to catch the culprits.
There they are, bogged to the doorhandles where they have slid off into the tabledrain.
Dave
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 15:16
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 15:16
Maybe the penalty is similar to going on a
mine road without permission.
Have an accident and no insurance.
Serves them right If its closed its closed, stay away.
Unfortunately there is always the d***heads that think the rules dont apply to them.
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Reply By: Zebra400 - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 15:47
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 15:47
I remember a few year back when the
Simpson desert was closed. some people travelled to
William Creek and found all roads were closed. They decided to head out to
Roxby Downs even though the road was closed. The people at the
William Creek pub were asked to ring the police if people ignored the
road closed signs.
when the vehicle arrived near
Roxby Downs, they were fined $300 per wheel (I think it now $1,000 per wheel). They tried to tell the police that they didnt know the road was closed, but when the police told them that they had spoken to the
William Creek pub and they had advised them that they were advised not to travel, the fine was imposed.
I also know that drivers cheat the system when it rains. Roads are normally closed the following morning at 10am, so when it rains hard on a particular day, some drivers don't stop overnight as they know the road will be closed the following day, so on they drive through the night. As you can guess,, these roads are a mess when they reopen. In this situation, the driver hasn't officially broken the law, but they have no care for the people who want to travel on the road when it re-opens.
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Reply By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 16:58
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 16:58
Found this on a NT Gov site
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 17:10
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 17:10
Thanks for that WYSIWYG.
In that case it looks like you have to have pysical barriers as
well as a
sign and then the penalty is $2,000.
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Follow Up By: Muddie - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 19:50
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 19:50
Now that's an old fashioned name "WYSIWYG" probably lost on those not in the computer and IT industry
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 20:01
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 20:01
What you see is what you get.......
Nothing too fancy about that Muddy; but then again (as you know only too
well), I am one of the most computer savvy blokes on the planet... hehehehe
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 20:20
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 20:20
I had a machine that occasionally came up with "GIGO"
Never did figure it out myself. Service guy from the US finally cleared the air -
"Garbage In Garbage Out" :-))
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Follow Up By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 20:38
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 20:38
Bit old fashioned like me. Then again GIGO may have suited me better LOL.
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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 21:06
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 21:06
I see we have a new Muddie in our midst!
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 21:12
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 21:12
Following a survey amongst computer techs it was agreed that the most common cause of computer problems is the connection between the mouse and the chair.
LOL
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Reply By: Member - Michael J (SA) - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 18:18
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 18:18
Hi Ray,
Just had a 'Google' and found this;
"Warning: Most states now have large fines for driving on closed tracks. The South Australian
unsealed road network is one of the state's greatest assets. These roads are often closed after rain to prevent damage and to ensure the safety of road users. New legislation has increased penalties for motorists travelling on closed roads. The fine is $1250 if caught travelling on a closed road."
Applicable to South Australia but I guess most states would have similar penalties.
-when are you due over the 'mainland' again, and are you heading Flinders way at all??
Cheers
Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 19:33
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 19:33
Hi Michael,
Back for a month from late September (my sun tan needs a boost :-)) Just NSW this time.
Thanks for the info on the fine. Still have not had anything hard and fast on the $1,000 a wheel or other '
camp fire' stories. Considering some of the damage that I have seen I would love some of those big numbers to be correct !
KK
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Reply By: disco driver - Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 19:47
Tuesday, Jul 21, 2009 at 19:47
I'm not sure of what happens in other states but in WA the system is fairly simple.
The offender, when caught, incurs a fine (reputed to be $1000.00 a wheel) and may also be required to pay ALL costs incurred in restoring the closed road to newly graded condition.
This can be a significant dent in your travel budget.
Also be aware that driving on a signposted "closed road" automatically invalidates your insurance policy. So does driving on private roads without authority.
Disco.
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