New Release Camper Trailers
Submitted: Wednesday, Jul 22, 2009 at 22:20
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Member - John S (QLD)
I can't believe that they have released a new hard floor campert trailer that has all the bells and whistles, and pretty good looking too, for nearly half the price of your high profile brand names!? How can this be? How is it possible to build a trailer nearly identical to those other brands at that price?
Does anyone have one of these new campers? It is on the traders section.
John
Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 22, 2009 at 22:43
Wednesday, Jul 22, 2009 at 22:43
Now i'm confused...which one are you talking about John?
Andrew
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Reply By: Member - John F (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 22, 2009 at 23:48
Wednesday, Jul 22, 2009 at 23:48
I was thinking the same thing, John. Notice, though, that the bare bones $9.5k one is pretty spartan, but would suit a lot of us who like to do our own drawers etc. and who can't see the value of $30k sitting in the shed most of the year.
As long as it's welded properly, sealed reasonably and the canvas is ok it looks good to me. I did notice on one photo the spring hangers seemed inboard of the chassis rails which looked a bit odd. I think the attaching of hangers in most trailers is underdone - they should be gussetted or mounted with an extra piece of channel or angle IMHO.
Regards, John.
P.S. I think I saw a second hand one in the Trading Post for $8k.
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Follow Up By: Member - John S (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 22:20
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 22:20
John F,
Fair comment mate. I'm sure that lots of CT entrepreneurs can pick up on the finer details of these things. but for folk like me and lots of other people that just want a camper that sleeps and cooks, and can go through dirt roads, these ones would seem like they would do.
John
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 07:35
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 07:35
I would find it very hard to compare this trailer to a $30k version....they are still
miles apart in quality, features, materials etc.
Without an explanation of
suspension setup, i would say that this one is rather simple...no independant
suspension etc.
Looking at the towing frame, the good ones are much thicker and stronger. No trailer brakes, no stainless steel components, unknown kitchen setup (is there one??), no/unkown
water storage capability, power setup? etc all makes this far from a "bells and whistle" model.
Don't get me wrong, for the price it is probably a good buy for a hard floor setup, just that it is nowhere near a $20-30k setup.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 07:49
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 07:49
I just noticed that you may be referring to the weblink on that page for the deluxe version. Whilst some of my comments are not as relevant, there are still quality, features, materials that make a difference to the price.
YMMV
Andrew
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Reply By: On Patrol & TONI - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 07:48
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 07:48
Full story here
That "From" price is un-realistic and a bit misleading, as tends to be in advertising.
Colin.
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Follow Up By: Member - John S (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 22:41
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 22:41
On Patrol & toni,
When you say that the price is un-realistic, do you mean that it may not include GST, dealer delivery, stamp duty, etc etc?
John
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 07:28
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 07:28
Full details
Yeah John
the trader ad quotes a $9??? figure, the actual web page quotes a $10??? so I guess from that, that the lower figure is GST excluded, to attract attention and make it appear below 10k in total, which is not the true case.
Nothing new about that, but still misleading. Also the base model excludes what most of us would call basic items, jerry holders, gas bottle Etc Etc.
The whole package could never compare to a fully fitted out currently "known" brand, yet they claim it to be in competion to those brands.
it's kind of like saying that a basic new Chinese car is in competion with a fully kitted German or Japanese car, no way.
Cheers Colin.
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Follow Up By: Member - John S (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 07:41
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 07:41
Colin,
Funny you should mention jerry holders and gas holders. They were the things that steered me toward buying a
Cape York Trailer instead of a
Kimberley Trailer. I spoke to the sales rep on the phone, and he said that the Sports RV does not come with jerry holders! Where as the CYT comes with all the things that you would expect. I found that to be a bit weird, not having holders.
John
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 07:56
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 07:56
on GST
a business can not quote a price to non business end user without GST..the price shown must be the full price to be paid....they can show Price + GST $$$ and give a Total.
Or they can show a total price (which must include GST)...that goes for web sites as
well, not just brochures etc etc.
I have seen some clearance
bins at trade outlets which has items ticketed at say $9.00 + GST and which does not show a full price including GST...this is technically illegal, but I reckon they are not genuinely misleading anyone by doing that....but it is still not correct
the camper shown in the trader has been doing the rounds in trading post...2nd hand maybe...could also be old photos they are using for their advert i suppose
the 17k still only has a 50 x 50 chassis...bit light on i reckon...especially considering the size of that box on it
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 08:16
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 08:16
Quick look at the photos and I rhink it has the same problem for me as most camper trailers. Not enough clearance in the mud guards.
It is running 235/75/15 tyres and I run 235/85/16, 29" to 32" OD.
Find many CTs have the tyre bottoming out in the guard before the bump stops take up. Find many CTs with rigid axles don't have bump stops on the axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - John S (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 22:55
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 22:55
Interesting pick up old plodder. I wouldnt have picked up on that.
John
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Reply By: Member - Josh (VIC) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 09:06
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 09:06
When we were looking at trailers we found just because they said offroad doesn't mean they are. Everyone's definition of "off road" is different. Time will tell how good it is. Someone mentioned adding your own stuff later ie. drawers ect. We looked at doing that but found in the long run it was going to cost about the same but it would all be added on not built in. It looks good in the photo but until you actually look it over to see quality of build it is hard to say this is comparible to top dollar trailers. It is cheaper so they saved money somewhere?????? If it is off road ask how it will handle the
gibb river road,
canning stock route,
cape york ect, that will tell how off road it is.
Josh
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Follow Up By: Member - John S (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 23:15
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 23:15
Hey Josh,
Your right...it is cheaper, so they must have saved the money somewhere. and you don't want to be stuck in the middle of no where to find the answer to that question!
I must say Josh, you have a very interesting website. I envy you and your family for getting out there and just 'doing it'! Good on ya. We would very much like to do the same sort of thing, but unfortunately our oldest son is in year 10, and my other son is in year 8. So its a bit hard to just take the out of school and do what we want to do.
But as they say...one day...
John
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Follow Up By: Member - Josh (VIC) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 21:18
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 21:18
Thanks John,
Must say I haven't done much on the web site lately (been having to much fun I think). It has been amazing to do what we have done. We have been very lucky to be able to do it. It's been just over 2 1/2 yrs now. I encourage to you if you get the chance take, you won't look back. Stopping travelling is quite scary for us cause now it is just what we do, it's our life. Not sure how 4 solid walls will go, LOL.
Josh
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Reply By: JR - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:25
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:25
Dont mention brakes?
Wouldnt they be legally required even unladen they say 550kg?
JR
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Follow Up By: Mandrake - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:04
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 12:04
Think 750 is the cut for brakes !!
Hope so coz
mine fully loaded would be around 600 !!
Cheers
Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - John S (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 23:19
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 23:19
JR,
Could you explain to me how the weight thing works? ATM and GVM, Tare etc etc. I sort of know that one of them is weight without anything it the trailer, and one of them is weight fully loaded. Does this include the spare wheel,
water, fuel, food, etc etc?
John
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Follow Up By: JR - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:46
Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:46
The only side of this which matters on small trailers is TARE and GVM
Tare is empty, GVM is maximum weight when full, includes everything
Also have to watch GVM of vehicle, this is total weight, car, trailer, load, people, everything. Also braked and unbraked trailer have 2 different limits on the tow vehicle
Keep in mind if you break these limits, your insurances are likely to be invalid
It would be very hard to end up with an off road trailer that doesnt need brakes. ie GVM below 750kg.
JR
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Follow Up By: Member - John S (QLD) - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 14:17
Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 14:17
Thanks for that jr.
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Reply By: Member - Rodney B- Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:37
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 10:37
Agree with the comments on the
suspension with the spring hanger travel very limited, but otherwise the delux version looks a really good starting point.
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Reply By: Member - Scoof (SA) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 14:12
Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 14:12
It looks great the only thing that worries me is the size of the draw bar only
50 x 50 box. If you ever see a trailer that didn't make it back home 9 times out of ten you see the draw bar broken or bent.
I would like to see at least 100 x 50 x 4 or even bigger. 50 x 50 is for a garden type rubbish trailer NOT FOR OFFROAD IMOI.
Cheers Scoof . :-)
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