Looking after our precious memories - the digital ones .

Submitted: Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 09:44
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As a photographer of sorts I have to look after photos for several years .. On the odd chance that someone may want to buy one ....
So after reading Kim Damn Dog's tale of woe I thought perhaps my working procedures might help some of you out - In the odd event that you may not have considered an adequate backup system .... Well have you ?

After a day's shooting I download my cards to my PC - My E Drive not the main C Drive because if any viruses get in they attack C Drives first !! - Then I copy the whole lot to an external drive for storage ( this is the number one backup drive ..)
Now that External USB Drives are easily available 250 Gb for $90.00 we now backup the backup to these mini drives and label them with the months / years on them .. This used to be to DVD / CDs but that proved to be a bad exercise unless you are prepared to pay several dollars for each top quality DVD !!
The last step is probably overkill for most people but can be necessary in the event of fire as those copies should be stored at another house - Mum or Dads maybe ?

When on holidays we download photos to a laptop and then copy then to one of these small external drives as backup -

By sticking religiously to the above regimen I have only lost about 12 photos out of over 25,000 in five years - those 12 were due to poor quality DVDs !!

Is your backup system adequate ?

Rgds

Steve - 29 Days to go === spell checked for errors ...
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Reply By: On Patrol & TONI - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:19

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:19
It occurred to me last week that as technology changes so to must we look at back up of our pix to the latest technology to save them for a long time.

I was watching a special on the remaking of the Moon Landing JUST 40 years ago, and they had a huge problem getting the "original" footage they needed because the Old magnetic tapes cannot talk to the latest computers and no one had a usable old style tape reader that could read the tape without destroying the tape in the process, NO ONE had thought about that problem.

Australia still had the data etc re moon rocks on data tape but again no way of reading those tapes without destroying the tape in the process, they are now "making a tape reader" using the old technology to achieve this.

So long term back up might be a constant problem with ever rapidly changing technology.

We all thought that CD & DVD was the bees knees but a day will SOON come when our children may not be able to read those devices because of changing technology.
Colin.
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Reply By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:37

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:37
Hi Mandrake,
After having the hard drive crash and loosing a few months of grandchildren photos I did exactly what you did. Cheap and safe. The portable hard drive stays disconnected untill need for further back up. I also put all our program files on it to make reloading them easy.
Ian
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Follow Up By: viz - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:09

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:09
I am back-up/no.2 photographer for my sister's business, when I cannot get out of it... (used to do weddings in the 90's before digital came out).

First, I have a Mac computer. Virus problem seriously diminished. The picture drive is the second drive, not the main one which gets hammered the most.
Two, I do NOT delete flash card until I have a backup (see Five)
Three, I load onto main computer using Aperture (like Lightroom for pcs), which has a file/library/backup feature - that goes onto a separate external HDD
Four, I back up the whole lot onto a RAID1 twin drive box using a very neat program called Time Machine.
Five, I rotate a third drive through the RAID1 box, which is permanently off site. This automatically synchronises when put into the RAID1 machine.

It is like wearing 6 condoms, to be sure to be sure to be sure. But there is little else I really care about (in material terms at least) than my pictures (and music which is similarly backed up).

Whenever I leave home for extended periods I take out a drive and put it into a Pelican case and take it with us.

Paranoid? You betcha. Had a house burn down once and it was the lost photos that hurt the most...

viz
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Reply By: Member - Au-2 - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:17

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:17
Well fellas, the extra hard drives are already superceded.

Son was here last week with a little gadget/card that stores 8 gig of data. He'd just bought it for $30. It comes with a little cord with which you can attach it to your keyring. It seemed to me that it was similar in size to the 'tongue' of a USB memory stick, but thinner like a phone card etc., certainly wouldn't weigh as much as a key. That thing was so small, I would probably lose it anyway by not being able to find/see it in plain sight.

I seem to be forever trying to catch up to this technology and just when I get a handle on it, it changes.
Sheila.
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Reply By: Member - Amy G (SA) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:37

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:37
In my experience, flash drives (the little usb thingys) do break with time and use, but they are usually great for a year or so. Bear in mind I use mine every day.

I have just purchased a 1 terrabye (that's 1000 GB) external hard drive for $200- now to see if I will ever need that much space!
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:55

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:55
Sounds like good advice Mandrake. At a photograhic course I did recently the
bloke running the show suggested the following, & I find it works fine...
Use small capacity SD cards & file them away as your primary backup, preferably
in a damage proof environment. For example keep each holiday on a separate
identified SD. You may ,of course, download to your hard drive, cd etc.
I file the SD in a safe, dowload the pics to a memory stick, print as required,
& delete off the C drive. As he kept saying..."memory is cheap"......oldbaz.
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Reply By: Muddy doe (SA) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 18:43

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 18:43
Yep, now that just about all photos are digital you can't be too careful with backups. Hard Drives DO have a limited lifespan and DO fail. Houses still burn down too.

Here's Muddys foolproof backup stragedy..... I call it a Stragedy as it helps avoid Tragedy - the loss of thousands of photos gathered over many years can indeed be a real tragedy.

I have a home network in the house and part of that network is a NAS. This stands for Network Attached Storage. They are a small box with one or more hard drives and connect to the network. They are available from places like Officeworks for not too much coin in sizes ranging from 300 Gigabytes. This size will hold thousands of photos and songs and other files.

If you don't have a home network (only one or two computers in the house) then go for a USB External drive. It just plugs into a spare USB port on the PC.

Whichever way you go (Networked or USB) you will see the extra hard drive as an extra letter in Windows Explorer (setup is usually pretty automated and easy). It might come up as E:\ drive.

You can now save your files to the extra drive. My suggestion is to use your normal computer hard drive (usually c:\ ) to organise and view your files in folders. You then periodically copy any new folders to the extra drive. This way they are always in at least two places. I also like the tip above about leaving them on the original camera memory card for a while until you have got your downloads AND backups in place.

If you are using a NAS (or thinking of buying one) it is a good idea to have it set up with RAID. This stands for Redundant Array of Independent Disks. It means that the NAS box has 2 or more hard drives and whatever you save to the NAS is written to all disks in the array as a mirror image. If one disk fails another one takes over and no data is lost.

Another good point mentioned here is off-site backups. This means that you have a complete copy of the data on a hard drive/CD/DVD/USB Key (depending on how much data you have) and you take it somewhere safe. Best places are and office if you have one, mum and dads place, shed away from the main house that won't burn. If you are really worried you can put it in a bank safety deposit box. The key thing though is that it has to be easy to get to and you need to REFRESH it regularly. Monthly is great.

So to summarise my setup. All photos are stored on PC and on a Network drive (NAS) at home. I also have a Western Digital Passport 320Gb USB drive that is a backup of all the stuff on the NAS and that is stored at the office. This is brought home to be refreshed every month or so. If you are completely paranoid you have TWO off site backup drives and refresh them in rotation.

Happy to answer any questions people have on this important topic.

Cheers

Muddy
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Follow Up By: PradOz - Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 21:31

Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 21:31
Hi Muddy

just read your reply and i am looking at a brochure with a Western Digital My Passport Elite 320Gb Portable HDD $139. Is that same as what you called Network Attached Storage (NAS)?

I have a home network and want to set up something easy and not too expensive (cant afford big dollars just at moment) and I am a little confused when reading brochures and see above 320GB WD unit for $139 and a 640GB WD Elements Black External USB Hard Drive for $114 in same brochure.

Dont they both plug in by USB? So why would I buy the dearer one when I can get cheaper one with greater memory?

Thanks PradOz

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Follow Up By: Muddy doe (SA) - Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 22:01

Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 22:01
Bit of a difference between these two.

The 320Gb Passport Elite comes with a 2.5 inch hard drive which is the size commonly found in notebooks and laptops. The other Elements External HD comes with a 3.5 inch hard drive which is most often found in Desktop computers. Because the 3.5 inch drive is bigger it is cheaper to make because they don't have to cram all that stuff in a smaller space (same reason Laptops are usually a bit dearer than desktop PC's).

Also the larger one probably comes with a separate 240v power supply. The Passport Elite is a much smaller unit and needs no extra power supply. It gets the power it needs from the USB port on the computer.

Does this explain for you why the smaller capacity drive is more expensive?

If you just want the extra drive to sit next to your PC and give you more space then go for the Elements drive. If you want quick portable storage that is 'plug and go' and easy to move around then go for the Passport Elite.

Network Attached Storage is another level above both of these devices. It is a box with it's own Ethernet connection that connects to the home network via a switch. Many home broadband routers for cable or adsl also have a 4 port switch built in. This is the best place to connect a NAS box and then any PC on the network can access it without a "main" PC having to be on all the time with a USB drive plugged into it. In the Western Digital range the NAS is called "My Book World Edition" and a 500GB unit can be had starting about $185 at internet stores. There are heaps of different brand NAS units out there and I think they are going to be the 'next big thing' in home computing.

I use my NAS (larger unit with separate power supply) to store files for immediate access and then copy stuff to the Passport Elite which is easy to then chuck into my work bag and be taken to the office as an off-site backup.

Cheers
Muddy
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Reply By: Member - Mfewster(SA) - Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 21:43

Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 21:43
I have 3 back up drives. The first automatically backs up the entire system and this lives on a second hard drive inside the PC case. I can immediately rebuild the syetm including programs with this. The other two back up drives are plug in hard drives. 500gig each, probably soon to be 1tB each. Once a week, or when I have new impostrant stuff, I back up all important files (including the photos of course) yo one of these drives. This is an incremental back up only so it only adds new stuff and so doesn't take long to do. I never have both the plug in hard drives in my house. One stays at a friends place and about once a month I swap them over so that should I be burgled, burnt out etc, one drive should always survive. Wec regularly also back up the wife's computer onto the rotating plug in drives
I am also wary of programs that might be needed to read these files becoming obselete and make sure I have copies of any software that might be needed.
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Reply By: Rob! - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 17:35

Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 17:35
Mandrake,

I find the best way to store photos is to print them out and put them in a photoalbum.

Once a year we pick out about 50 of the best photos and print them out. Why store thousands of photos that nobody will ever look through?

The problem with digital photos is that data can be corrupted easily and the technology required to extract that data wil not be around in 20 years time.

For example, try reading a digital copy of document written in 1989 on wordperfect 5.1 and stored on a 5.5" floppy disk.

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Follow Up By: Gramps - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 17:38

Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 17:38
LOL that would be doubly difficult as they were 5.25" floppy disks :)))
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Follow Up By: Rob! - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 17:44

Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 17:44
:)
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Follow Up By: Gramps - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 17:52

Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 17:52
and you can read a WP5.1 document using Open Office and probably Word. Weird ain't it.

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Follow Up By: Rob! - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 18:35

Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 18:35
Not sure about open office, but Word would not recognise it at all. I tried opening it in notepad but the text was mixed up with other computer generated numbers, so it was fairly useless.

The point is, there is nothing like a printed (analogue) document for ease of viewing in the future.

Cheers

R
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 22:41

Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 22:41
. . . that's why RTF was developed as a format that's independant of any vendor.
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Follow Up By: Rob! - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 09:42

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 09:42
Even if you were so forward thinking as to save in RTF, what would you store it on. It's a lot easier to view printed photos from 1958 than reading a digital file from the same date. Who knows, in another 50 years we probably won't have computers as to read any of these files.
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Reply By: bgreeni - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 20:24

Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 20:24
I recently had a 1TB external network hard drive crash. After the event I realised how imperfect my backup strategy was. All my photos were OK, but a lot of other stuff was not. I sent the drive off to a recovery firm and they managed to find over 1 million files. They could tell the type but not the name or directory structure. I now have a huge number of files that I have no idea what they are!!!

I also have a much better backup strategy.
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Reply By: Member - Flynnie (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 00:08

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 00:08
My approach is very similar to Mandrake's. The most important thing is to back up regularly and include a remote copy in the routine.

Without an adequate backup system there will be fire and brimstone and weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. OK not original but it fits. I am sure a few of us have been there done that or had mates do it.

Once had a complete loss of data on the hard drive. I had access to some reasonably powerful tools for recovering lost files but no good. Recovered all bar two photos from a 2 day old backup. Now if I have dramas I just get the most recent stuff off the hard drive and then restore it and then copy the most recent stuff back to it. Quick and effective.

I use a combination of usb, firewire, esata and flash backups. No particular reason beyond different things purchased at different time with changing prices and technology

By the way I do have stuff off a 1987 computer migrated to my PC and backed up and readable. Regarding pictures the current jpeg standard pictures should remain usable as long as can be foreseen. There are always conversion programs for converting images to other formats and will be in the future. RAW images from some cameras (mainly SLRs but some compact cameras as well) are quite different. Probably best to store them as dng files for the long term.


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