Towing Kedron With 4.2 Patrol
Submitted: Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:15
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ptnuske
Hey there,
Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on towing our Kedron with and 07 4.2 Patrol. We have the 3" exhaust and the turbo tuned and dyno'ed. Anyone else out there doing the same? The Kedron is a Top Ender and weighs in a 2.8 t at the moment.
I know the Cruiser is the choice but we can't afford to update to one of those, so we will have to persist with the Patrol.
We are looking at travelling around Australia in the next few months for an indefinite period of time and was wondering if the patrol will be up to the task?
I know they are strong and she should not give me too much trouble. Just after some thoughts.
Cheers.
Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:25
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:25
If you are a Nissan afficiondo its the first choice
If you are a Toyota owner it would probably be second choice ifffffff the
Toyota ever broke down.
Highly unlikely
LOL
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Reply By: Member - Kim and Doug (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:31
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:31
hi ptnuske
is the patrol manual/auto what is the towing max of the patrol
what weight in gear clothes food
water etc do you intend to carry in the van and what do you plan to carry in the patrol
then I can give you an educated answer from someone that is doing it fulltime
regards
doug
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Follow Up By: ptnuske - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:43
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:43
Hey doug,
Thanks for the reply. The car is rated at 3.5 t it's a manual. I think the Patrol weighs in at about 2.5 t with all the gear on it. We plan to carry nothing in the patrol and only use it to go 4wd ing when required.
As for gear in the van , we have only just started putting "stuff" in it. Want to probably keep it under 3.2 t all up. I think Kedron plated the van with the
water tanks ( 3 X 80l ) full.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:52
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:52
Kim, The 4.2 never came in Auto.. the very last ones are still manual. Michael
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 13:01
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 13:01
You can tell the vans weights by reading the Certification plate.
The Tare is the DRY weight
The ATM is the allup allowable max legal weight
In all vans Ive looked at the
water is part of the load.
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Follow Up By: ptnuske - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 13:45
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 13:45
Hey Graham,
The tare is 2.8 and the ATM is 3.5.
Matches the car. ATM that is.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 14:07
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 14:07
Carry some stuff in the car. Nothing like a heavy van pushing a light car around in the wind etc.
Best to even them up a bit and you can carry a bit more stuff as
well.
Eg our washing machine, sat dish, spare
water and fuel and Waeco goes in the car cos most of it comes out when settled or maybe needed when sightseeing (fuel &
water).
We only however have 2 seats in the cruiser and have the fridge and machine where the rear seats would be.
Small stuff like Tools, Gennie & milk crates with spares on top of the _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx .
Also carry annexe and floor in car to keep van at legal weight.
This is due to wife taking ALL her shoes and flash clothes which havent been used in 6 months on the road.
LOL
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Reply By: Member - John M (NSW) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 20:23
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 20:23
ptnuske
Don't worry about the Nissan, she will tow it with no problems. I am sure you have a manual 4.2 diesel.
I have both a GU 4.2 litre ST Turbo Aftercooled Nissan (slightly modifidied) with low range diffs and 35" tyres, 3" exhaust, tuned fuel pump and injectors and at 11.5 litres per 100kms, it will pull and go
places the 4.7litre 2006 V8 petrol 100 series Land Cruiser could only hope to see.
Load up you Kedron sensibly. take your time and enjoy our beautiful country.
Regards
John
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Follow Up By: JimDi - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:14
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:14
Uuuummmm, without wishing to get between a Nissan and a Landcruiser owner/driver.... but 11.5 litres per 100klm's would that not be too fantastic a result particularly when towing a Kedron Topender. Just a thought. Because I own a Kedron and I dont know any Kedron owner getting those results. But maybe I dont know enough people.
Jim
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Follow Up By: Member - John M (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:12
Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:12
You are right Jim
That consumption is only with the camper top and boat on with all the travelling gear. It comes in at 4.2 tonnes.
Towing a Kedron would certainly change that.
Regards
John
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Follow Up By: ptnuske - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:39
Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:39
Hey guys,
The last time 2 times I towed the Kedron to
Stanthorpe and back to Brisie I got 23l/100K bang on each time. I would have to be running close or over 5t all up, if not 6.
We are heading up and over the
Toowoomba ranges and onto
Birdsville next week for our "shakedown" run. I will post the fuel consumption once I reach some level touring as the run to
Stanthorpe and back is pretty hilly.
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Follow Up By: JimDi - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 18:03
Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 18:03
Sounds familiar, I tow with LC 80 series petrol and 23litres per 100klm sounds very familiar. It does vary up or down (a little) naturally depending on conditions, wind etc.
The best was around
Derby with a tail wind, the worst was near Warrnambool punching into a head wind.
I dont know the exact figure because I just ended up hoping I made it, closed my eyes and thought of England as they say. But the last 50klm's I would estimate I chewed nearly 25litres.
Jim
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Reply By: Motherhen - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 22:44
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 22:44
Weigh the van when fully laden for that big trip before deciding. I understand that Kedrons are heavier than Bushtrackers for the same size. Our 18' Bushtracker is 2.22 tare, and we put the whole rig over the local weighbridge as we left, and the van was 3 t while still hitched. Check the gross mass allowable for your Patrol - and work out your full load and yourselves for the trip. It may be a bit much.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:32
Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:32
May be of use - I just bought a new Trakmaster Nullabor at 2300kg tare - probably adding about 400kg on the road - seems your Kedron is significantly heavier than that - I'm towing with a LC100 GXL TD manual - 150kw / 430Nm - have done just enough mixed terrain driving now to declare the plan good overall - we would definitely not want any less power though - and the clutch could really be compromised on take offs at times, so I use low range to get going on minor slopes etc and then shift on the fly up to high range when cruising away. As for loadings - I carry some gear in the rear of LC and a bit on the back
seat - just to spread the load on tyres mainly. BTW - while we could just get away without it, we use a Hayman 750 model weight distribution hitch - it really smooths out the travel and minimises the tendency for 'bucking' on those wobbly roads.
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Follow Up By: ptnuske - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:53
Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:53
I know what you mean about the clutch, after the shakedown trip and just before we go on our extended lap of the block, we will fit a good 4wd heavy duty clutch. The low range procedure is interesting. Will have to give it a go!
We also use a WDH and makes a world of difference to the handling. Looking forward to having the van on the dirt.
:-)
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:46
Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:46
Yep - in the LC100 GXL you can shift low to high range on the fly but not high back to low.... worth looking at with the Patrol.
Forgot to say re economy - we got 16L/100km towing it home from
Melbourne to
Adelaide with a light loading - went into the Vic regions - mixed terrain, no wind, but included climbing up into the
Adelaide Hills. Very happy with that for starters.
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Follow Up By: Dave(NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 17:38
Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 17:38
ptnuske, You have Auto locking hubs when you put car in low range it will be 4wd. If you change them the manual hubs you can do what Darian said.
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Follow Up By: ptnuske - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 19:19
Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 19:19
Ahhhh Dave, right you are.
Any recommendation's as to what brand to get?
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Reply By: Member - Craig S (WA) - Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 23:45
Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 23:45
Personally, i would go North in the winter. Trolls love to run warm. Also be prepared with a full wallet for fuel. From my experience they would have to be the heaviest 4by on fuel eva. You won't have any mechanical drama's though they are as tough as. the guage just like to climb thats all. When your aircon turns off, you should prob think about backing off a bit.
Enjoy
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Follow Up By: Member - Craig S (WA) - Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 23:48
Monday, Aug 03, 2009 at 23:48
11.5L per 100km from a TD42. Please tell me your secret John M...
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