Does diesel smoke get in camper trailers?

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Ok so this is a novice post.

When my diesel goes up a steep hill it emits black smoke. Yeah i know, no doubt my chip refuelling my engine, though it did it a bit even without the chip.

So just wondering, seeing as I've seen quite a few old diesels do the same, if you are towing a CT, and it's something we plan to experiment with soon, is it possible, and i ask cause it theoretically is if I think about it, for the CT to fill up with sooty black diesel smoke? Or are do they sit far enough behind so as never to have been of a concern to anyone?
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Reply By: vk1dx - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 20:58

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 20:58
May I suggest that if you stop the black smoke two things will occur. Firstly you won't get any "black diesel smoke" in the CT and secondly, much more importantly, we will have less wasted fuel floating around in the environment.

Maybe the injectors need attention.

Sorry to be blunt.

Phil
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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:36

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:36
Phil, firstly all diesels will blow smoke no matter how old or new, some allot more then others. When I boot the prado it will leave a visible residue especially noticeable at night, while it is nothing compared to the old 2.8 hilux its still there. I have seen new d4d's push a bit out while under heavy acceleration like most diesels. The ones that you see pushing out extreme amounts of smokes either need the injectors doing, the pump, OR have the pump wound up so it will give enough fuel this is mostly to diesel 4wd's with after market turbo's.
Porl, now to the question you asked,,,,, Our old hilux use to pump out some smoke under full acceleration (which was most of the time in a 2.8D non turbo lux) We never had any issues with the soot entering the camper, ours did have a plastic/vinyl cover over the whole thing with a zip across the front and velcro everywhere else. On longer trips I would get a bit of soot build up on the front of the camper but nothing/smell inside it, to overcome this problem I went to an exhaust shop and had an extension bit put on the xhaust so it would throw the exhaust down onto the ground instead of straight out onto the trailer. Hope this helps Regards Steve
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Reply By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:23

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:23
Hi Porl,
We had a 4 runner diesel a few year ago and were towing a CT at the time and squashed the 4by's tail pipe after hitting a wash out filled with bull dust. Without going into too much detail, the squashed pipe caused a fairly dramatic biuld up of soot and using far more fuel than it should have, resulting in smoke belowing out the back all over the CT. We were in fairly remote area and had to travel some 700km before having it repaired. Happy to say, the CT wasn't filled with smoke and soot, possibly because it was sealed well enough to keep dist and the like out and of course tailgate at the rear away from the smoke.

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Reply By: Member - ross m (WA) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:26

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:26
"Ok so this is a novice post."

Too many variables to give a definate answer. Getting rid of the smoke would be my 1st step
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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:50

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:50
I've been told all diesel engines emit smoke under a lot of stress. So this not true?
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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:08

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:08
Yes and no. The newer diesels are almost smoke free where as the older ones(pre 90s) would often give a blast of black smoke under hard accelleration .
The amount of smoke a modern diesel makes would not be a major concern when it comes to the camper if its tuned right.

I would be more concerned about about dust and road grime entering the camper.

The other bad side to black smoke is the soot build up inside the engine.
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Reply By: Member - Josh (VIC) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:42

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:42
Simple answer is it should not get in. If it does there would be a problem with sealing. People seem more worried about stopping the smoke than answering your question. Most diesels will blow smoke to a certain degree. If the soot gets in then dust will also be a major problem as well. A good trailer shouldn't let anything in.

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Reply By: Flywest - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:51

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:51
Maybe consider an exhaust snorkel?

Roof height or above at the rear,pointing straight up, and with one a them truck like rain flaps on top.

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Follow Up By: Rob! - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:46

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:46
I think you will find that is only legal on trucks and buses.
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Follow Up By: 12ian34 - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 21:18

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 21:18
Exhaust risers are avaialble from a lot of 4wd shops, shouldnt be a legal issue
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Follow Up By: Rob! - Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 09:01

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I am just saying it's illegal. That doesn't mean it's not done.

Only vehicles over 4.5T can have a vertical exhaust.
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Reply By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:57

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 21:57
Our Cruiser used to leave the front of the camper trailer black but nothing got into the camper.The tail gate would be black, stone guard and shade cloth on it were all black.Fixed the problem by making up a angled tip on the end of the exhaust to point the fumes down.Works a treat.
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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:16

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:16
This is the easiest and cheapest solution, fit a chrome exhaust end with a bend and either shoot the exhaust down and sideways at about 45º or straight down. Make sure the exhaust has been cut shorter first or you will hit or burn your leg on it when you stop and access the rear of the vehicle.
(but you really should sort the car out as overfuelling can lead to holes in pistons eventually)

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Follow Up By: Member - Nick (TAS) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:59

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Dont worry, we tried everything-pump and injectors rebuilt, double checked pump timing, checked EGR, disconected EGR, cut fuel back at pump, blah blah blah.We still got a certain amount of smoke and soot out the back so made up the angled tip.It now has a turbo and i/c which has cut back the "seeable" smoke to near zero.
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Reply By: Ozboc - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:21

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:21
not sure how well your trailer is sealed but apart from getting the black smoke sorted out - maybe have someone follow you - or if your lucky enough to have 2 lanes going up the big hill - have someone sit next to you up the big hill and get them to see how the smoke reacts - ie goes under the trailer - or spirals after the car between the car and trailer -- then you know what you have to try to seal up if it does get in

hope this helps

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Reply By: Member - MUZBRY(Vic) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:52

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 07:52
Gday
Darling and I have been towing our camper for 8+ years now and never smelt fumes in the camper.The first few years were with a HiLux diesel and now with a Nissan petrol.
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Reply By: Member - Porl - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:53

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 08:53
Thanks for all the replies. Just to clarify, I'm not a novice with a 4WD, it's my third. Am a novice with a camper trailer and the 4WD is my first diesel.

We don't own a camper trailer yet, we are going to experiment hiring some models and see how it goes, and if my non-turbo lux can actually tow it without being too annoying.

Sounds like if I am concerned the bent pipe downwards is the go.

Of course if anyone has any bright ideas how to stop the smoke let me know, though it emits no smoke up to 3000rpm, just afterwards and particularly if labouring up a very steep hill.
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Reply By: Member - Oldbaz. NSW. - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:20

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:20
Porl, not meaning to be critical, but ,as others have said, your diesel appears to need some attention. If it is already emitting black smoke not towing, you can expect that to be worse when you do. Assuming it is not consuming heaps of oil, I would take it to a reputable Diesel Injection Service for some TLC. May not
be cheap but the difference in performance & fuel usage will be worth it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:25

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:25
No worries Oldbaz, the difference between critcism and good advice is the way it is said. I appreciate your advice.

It was bought with 143,000km on the clock so perhaps its time for the injectors to have a clean. A Hilux 3.0L LN167R
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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:13

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:13
The Landcruiser diesels have 100000klms intervals so your injectors may well and truly need a rebuild and the pump serviced.
Is that engine a 3 litre or a 3L which is a 2.8 litre?
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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 14:27

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It's a 3Litre, engine is the 5LE dated I think October 2000.
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:32

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:32
Hi Porl,

We have a GQ 4.2 diesel with aftermarket turbo. Use it to tow a Cavalier off road c/t. The black smoke is a common thing with diesel's, and is caused most commonly by over fueling. There are/may be other reasons but the most common is over fueling. In my experience, over fueling is caused by the natural desire to push the accelerator down further when the diesel is finding it a bit hard going, for instance, climbing a mountain range. I have found by watching my gauges etc, that at a particular spot in the pedal travel, I can be on max boost and not be over fueling the engine. And no black smoke out the back of the truck. But, if I succumb to the desire to "go harder", and push the pedal down further, I don't actually gain any speed, but I am injecting fuel to the engine that the engine neither needs or can deal with efficiently. It then escapes out the exhaust pipe as black sooty smoke. Also, when stationary at lights etc, and I give the pedal a good tickle to get motivated the smoke tends to erupt then..... it is cured by the time the turbo spools up and takes care of the fuel..... this, I believe, (and am happy to be corrected if I am wrong here) can be cured by fitting a device called an aneuroid (spelling?), which I haven't done. So if your diesel is spewing forth great clouds of smoke, try driving a little gentler, you may find that this is all that is required. You will soon see the rev range that you can drive in relatively smoke free. If this doesn't work, or work sufficiently, then you may have an injector or tuning issue, which I am in no way qualified to comment on.

To answer the main part of your question, we have towed our trailer for the last 4 years and so far haven't opened it to the smell of diesel smoke...... opened it at Birdsville last year to a fine coating of red "Development Road" dust throughout, but never black smoke!!!! LOL.....


Hope this helps, and good luck with your hunt for a trailer. Personally, we wouldn't part with ours for all the rum in Bundaberg!

Cheers

Brian









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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:47

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:47
Thanks Brian, helpful post.
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Follow Up By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:56

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:56
Welcome Porl, if you have any further questions... don't hesitate to ask.

Cheers

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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:11

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:11
Porl,
with every hilux non turbo I've owned I have the injectors set to a higher pressure and have the pump advanced slightly as they are retarded from the factory. End of smoke, better power (if you call it that) and better economy.
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Follow Up By: Member - Porl - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:33

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:33
Well that's gold, would love to buy you a beer for that snippet.
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 06:53

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How many have you owned now Dave?? 5, or more?? hahaha


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Follow Up By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Thursday, Jul 30, 2009 at 07:26

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Yeah Kev,
5 hiluxes and on to my 45th cruiser when it arrives today or tomorrow.
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Reply By: sastra - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:19

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:19
Hi Porl,

We also have a '92 GQ Mav/Patrol with aftermarket DTS (MTQ) turbo and tow a Jayco Outback Eagle.
Our car has done 173,000Km with injectors done at 186,000Km when Turbo fitted and we have no dirty diesel fumes in camper or soot over front of camper.
I usually sit around 100Kph cruising and as Brian explained use an educated right foot.You will learn where the optimum throttle level for conditions is but if this doesn't cure your black smoke then as others have said you have to look at injectors etc.
Hope this helps.

Mike
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Reply By: Madfisher - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:19

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:19
Hi Porl,
Make sure your air cleaner element is spotless, when they get dirty this is a common cause of smoke. Could also be worth while checking out a larger free flowing exhaust. If it breathing better their will be less smoke.
Good luck Pete
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