6.5 chev n/a

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I have thought about this conversion in my 80 for a while now but l always get turned of about the overheating issues l keep hearing about. Has anyone here done the conversion and overcome that issue l hear it is always blamed on the cooling system but the real problem is the lack of oil capacity please help with facts.
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Reply By: Member - Scooby (WA) - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 15:47

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 15:47
Hi 4wdcy,
This makes interesting reading.

http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=23850

Scooby
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 15:53

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 15:53
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Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 19:17

Friday, Aug 07, 2009 at 19:17
I have a Patrol with 6.5 Chev N/a motor.

The summer before last (2007/8) I was experiencing some temps of up to about 115 degrees C (sender unit is mounted at the very back of the passenger's side cylinder bank head, which is arguably the hottest part of the motor).

Before the next summer (2008/9) I fitted a Toyota viscous fan hub and fan. This was done at the suggestion of the blokes at Brunswick Diesel. The viscous hub is about twice the size of the Patrol unit that it replaced.

About the same time, I re-fitted the Amsoil dual bypass oil filtration set-up and added an extra (quite small) oil cooler. The Amsoil filtration system consists of 2 filters which I've mounted behind the bullbar where the winch used to be. I rarely used the winch anyway, so it was sold off.

One of the filters is a "BE110" which holds 2 litres of oil. Also, there is probably another 200 to 300ml of oil in the pipelines and additional cooler. So my total oil capacity is now about 10.5 litres.

During summer 2008/9, I rarely ever saw the coolant temp gauge go above 90C.

At this time of year, it rarely reaches 75C.

I have fitted a VDO oil temp gauge onto a convenient bung on the Amsoil unit, and this rarely ever moves off the 50C minimum / starting point. I'm not sure if this is due to a faulty gauge/sender or whether the oil is really running at such a low temp, given that it is being measured at a point which is so far away from the sump. Even after a decent drive I can still put my hand on the filters without burning myself, so I'm thinking the gauge is probably showing true.

Of course, now that I have done 2 different "things" at the same time, I cannot really tell whether it was the Toyota viscous hub/fan or the extra oil capacity (or a combination of both), that has seen my temps drop so radically.

Either way, I'm now VERY satisfied that any cooling issues I once had, have gone for good (touch wood). In fact I'm concerned that I may actually be running too damned cool....not good for the oil or the fuel consumption. Latter runs at around 17L/100, but I have a lot of weight and tow a camper trailer most of the time.

Roachie
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Reply By: Rockape - Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 05:45

Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 05:45
Neighbour has a 6.5 in his 80 series and has no troubles at all with overheating.

I have a 6.5 in my HJ 75 Troopy and have no problems at all, I tow a 17foot 6 van and it never gets hot. The 75 has a lot smaller radiator than the 80.

Having said that. Like Roachie I have a genuine Tojo viscous hub and a genuine late model Ali radiator. The one out of a turbo 78 series. Also I run a product called cooldown in the coolant.

My murphy temp gauge is in the back of the head and it is very accurate. It does not have the dampening of a factory gauge. Again 90c is the highest it ever gets, then the fan cuts in and brings it straight back to 80c.

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Follow Up By: Rockape - Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 05:55

Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 05:55
Missed the oil part of your question.

To back up Roachie, I have never had a problem with lack of oil, The motor is designed to have that amount of oil in it and my gauge always reads the same, again it is an accurate Murphy gauge. You must have an oil cooler though.

Fuel is same the as Roachie,
12litres/hundred on the highway empty.
14litres/hundred on the highway loaded. Grossing over 3t.
17litres/hundred on the highway Loaded and towing the caravan.
14litres/hundred crawling round the scrub and dirt roads (loaded)
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 13:58

Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 13:58
I think the oil situation/concern is that there simply isn't enough capacity in the sump for the size of the engine. The perception (true or false???) is that the oil not only lubricates, but also acts as a defacto coolant too.

So, the feeling seems to be that if you can increase the capacity of the oil in the engine, then you will be able to assist the coolant to keep a bit cooler too.

I am very grateful for the link to that 10 page (and growing) post on the $WD Monthly forum. Les Addison (?) seems to know pretty much all there is to know about these old engines. I have also found the "Diesel Page" forum (based in USA) to be a very helpful site for info.

Roachie
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 16:05

Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 16:05
Yep Roachie, the extra oil would tend to lower the temp a bit. I like the idea of the oil filters behind your bullbar, are they in series with your oil cooler.

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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:08

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:08
No mate, they are separate from the oil cooler "circuit". I have a alloy fitting that screws on where the normal Z24 would usually sit. It has ports for the 2 hoses which lead up to the filtration set-up.

If you'd like the "full" story, I'll take the risk of boring you...... hahahaha......

At first I was going to use the oil cooler hoses to add the fitration "in series".

However, I managed to buggar-up the original cooler when I was removing it (I cracked the fitting where the hose screws on).

So, I hunted around the 'net for a new cooler and found an exact replacement in Florida, which I duly ordered (off ebay). It is a 6" version and the manufacturer makes them in various sizes (3", 6", 9" & 11" from memory).

Anyway, the package arrived after a week BUT it was 3" version: BUGGA!!!

I informed the bloke in Florida who apologised and said he was aware he was "missing" a 3" cooler; thanked me for letting him know where it had gone. He told me to keep it and he would send the 6" one that day.

So, I had a 3" and a 6" now. I fitted the new 6" where it was intended to go and then decided to NOT use the cooler circuit for the filtration.

But I decided to add the extra 3" cooler on the return side of the filtration system. It is mounted just above the bash plate behind the bullbar, under the filters.

I've always been concerned with the potential for a hose to rupture or come adrift, so I have fitted a buzzer into the oil pressure warning light circuit, just in case I don't see the light come on. It saved me a couple of years ago....there was a post on here about me leaving an oil slick on the Stuart Hwy south of Pimba. That occured with my previous installation of the Amsoil....my own stoopid fault because of the way I'd mounted it on that occasion as well as the extremely rigid and over-engineered hydraulic hoses I had used (they cost me a fortune and were good for up to 4000psi of pressure!!!!).

Okay....that's enough rambling for a while.... hahaha
Roachie
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Follow Up By: Rockape - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 13:53

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 13:53
Roachie

Thanks for boring me. I will put your info to good use

Have a good one

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Reply By: Drew - Karratha - Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 20:48

Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 20:48
Have you considered swapping the original engine (1Hz i presume) with a 1HD-FT 24 valve direct injected factory turbo 80 series engine?
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Reply By: On Patrol & TONI - Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 20:56

Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 20:56
4wdcy
Why just the Chevy option??????

For similar $$$$$ you could fit a 1HD-FTE tojo eng and have more power than the 6.5 (non Turbo) and no overheating problems as the engine uses a similar radiator to the 80.

I picked up a 1HD-FTE with 5spd auto tranny, computer, in fact everything to do the job, with 25000km on the clock, from a wreckers for $11500 for the lot.

Project TONI

Maybe worth concidering!!!

Cheers Colin.
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Follow Up By: Davo_60 - Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 22:27

Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 22:27
Good advice, much better option.
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Follow Up By: Drew - Karratha - Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 23:05

Saturday, Aug 08, 2009 at 23:05
The 1HD-FT is all mechanical - no need for an electrical engineer! It depends on the $ you want to spend - but I think they are both better options than the Chevy
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:12

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:12
As the owner of a Chev 6.5, I would have to agree with Colin that his option of the tojo donk is probably a much better option.

The only thing it lacks is the V8 growl, but as far as parts availability and power and reliability (not that the 6.5 has let me down itself, but I've had a number of issues with ancilliary items)...... I'd have to say the tojo would be better....

It would be great if there was a kit available as there is for the Chev.... Maybe there is already and I just don't know about it...??

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:32

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:32
G'day Roachie
Your rig is well set up and is a shining example of the pros of the Chevy option.
Are you still trying to sell it? as someone will get a very capable vehicle if you do.
I hope you still have it for StGeorge as I would love to see it first hand. If not then the OKA will be good vehicle for you with the tribe to carry around, I bet you will still miss the Patrol if you do go that way though.

As for the V8 roar, yeah you are right, BUT the 3" exhaust on TONI gives a sweet note at full throttle all the same.

Welcome to to the "darkside" too, Colin.
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 17:21

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 17:21
G'day Colin,

The Patrol is officially off the market now....SWMBO + no.2 son cracked a real darky when they found out what I was planning to do.... "we don't wanna ride around in one of those ugly POS" or words to that effect.... hahahaha

So, yes the good old Chev will be there at St George, provided I can make it that far without managing to break something.

I'm trying to tie-up with Dave B from Broken Hill and travel with he & his missus.....

Cheers

Roachie
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:27

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:27
Good News mate, see ya there, Colin.
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Reply By: 4wdcy - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 16:16

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 16:16
Thanks guys for all your responses, have considered the other two mentioned but my concern would be that the 1hdtf ones are now getting on and the 1hdtfe is all the electronics. Has anyone worked out all the crap associated with the 1hdtfe install into an 80 (re computers Dash lights etc).
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Follow Up By: 4wdcy - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 16:21

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 16:21
Colin would be interested to hear how you went about your conversion.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:36

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:36
4wdcy
Have a look at one of my original posts in this thread, it is a link to the Project TONI blog. But regarding the electrics we did leave that to an electrical engineer to do as it's just too complex for the likes of me and my mechanic.

You will see credits for the people involved, Jason does conversions to 80s 3-4 times a year and could advise you on what to lookout for when doing such a conversion, as he has done quite a few of them now.Total Care 4WD
Cheers Colin.
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Follow Up By: 4wdcy - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:40

Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 18:40
Thanks colin good reading on the project, gets me thinking.
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