Jayco Swan outback or standard
Submitted: Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 19:26
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Scottx
G'day there and thanks in advance for your time
We are looking at changing from tent accomodation to probably a poptop type set up. A couple of weeks ago we went from Kings Canyon to
Glen Helen Gorge along a corrugated road, not too bad in the car but towing a van is what I am not sure about. Now I guess the "Outback" has upgraded
suspension and maybe chasis, but is it still going to shake the snot out of the van and damage it anyway(regardlas of the better
suspension). If this is the case and these corrugated roads are best avoided then maybe I only need the "Standard" Swan. Probably looking around $15 000 to $20 000 and also not sure if any of the models in our price range(year model) I need to be wary of.
Your opinions will help, and give me things to consider that I haven't thought of yet.
Thanks again
Scott
Reply By: Member - Hughesy (NSW) - Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 20:12
Sunday, Aug 09, 2009 at 20:12
Depending on speed and condition of road you can shake any van regardless of $$ spent to breaking things.
The chassis of the outback is huge and you'll never have an issue with it. Its typically the interior that may shake loose (I haven't had any issues with my 6yo Outback and its been 1/2 way around oz).
Wouldn't try and take a "standard" version offroad other than
well graded dirt roads.
You can get a basic swan outback for about 21K or a
well optioned outback 2nd hand for under 20k.
Obviously you have a family cause the Swan is the biggest in the Jayco range. Comfort factor of these Jayco's with kids is great and the Minister for War and Finance will love it too (which is the ultimate goal!!).
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Follow Up By: Scottx - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:46
Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:46
Thanks Hughesy
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Reply By: Nargun51 - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:17
Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:17
Work out what you plan to use it for first
Personally, I think the Jayco ‘Outback’ range is the mastery of marketing over function.
I have no doubt that the chassis of the Outback is quite a deal stronger than the on road version. The
suspension is improved with shocks and heavier springing and there is increased ground clearance. However, the body remains the same, as do the internal fittings. Jayco does not appear to differentiate in the construction of the body between both styles, and they are built to a price (one which I could afford!)
I would suggest that any road that would destroy the chassis of an ‘on road’ Jayco would destroy the body of an ‘Outback’.
The springs, shocks, clearance and the name is not the universal panacea to the damage to body and fittings that long distance, high speed travel on corrugations or crawling along narrow tracks can inflict
The down sides of the ‘Outbacks’ are that they are heavier and significantly higher than the on road versions (I can use internal mirrors in my Pajero with an on road version). Due to their height they are more difficult to erect; double steps are a pain
The more important down side is they are more expensive. You can buy a lot of fuel with the price difference
For what it’s worth, I have owned 3 ‘on road’ Jaycos, and am acutely aware of their limitations and their strengths. I will (and have) travel on dirt roads with them, but not off road. Next time you go to some out of the way place
check out what people have towed in there. I’ve seen more ‘Outbacks’ in caravan parks than in National Parks
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Follow Up By: Scottx - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:49
Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:49
Thankyou
Some more points to consider that I hadn't thouhgt of
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:37
Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:37
A former neighbour of
mine took an early model Jayco Swan Outback on some pretty tough trips, including the
Simpson Desert and another trip around the Gulf from
Burketown to
Darwin and then continued on into the Kimberly coming
home down the Tanami. His van was in very good condition.
But he spent a lot of time on maintenance. He was a retired builder and I have seen him strip his car interior bare, seats carpets and under felt all out while he washed and polished the floor that is hidden by the carpet. The van came in for similar treatment often being set up in the yard for a week or more while he tinkered away inside.
It would be a good outfit to pick up second hand when I think about it.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Scottx - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:51
Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:51
Thanks Duncs
some more good info for me
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Reply By: simon - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:36
Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:36
Jayco also offer independent
suspension as an option although you will need to ask as its not widely advertised.
If you found a second hand outback fitted with this you would be laughing.
I recently sold an on road dove and 90% of callers were looking for an outback, so for ease of resale an outback may be a better option, that being said i sold my on road dove without too many hassles
I am upgrading to a outback flamingo with all the various opts it was just around $27800 mark which is past the price range you are looking at, but will give you an idea of what a decked out one costs.
Cheers
Simon
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Follow Up By: Scottx - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:53
Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:53
G'day Simon
Thanks for your time, more interesting info
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Reply By: Butch58 - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:59
Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 18:59
HI,
Just go out and buy a big brand camper with double gal frame,independent air bag
suspension , with a we have been to the moon reputation for 40 K or be like most of us and buy a Jayco .
It all comes down to a little bit of common sense!!!!!
Outback means higher clearance , better brakes and more stone protection. It doesn't mean tow me along the track at 100 ks, see how many rough creek crossings we can do or this campers crap because it has fallen to pieces.
Drive to the conditions, know your campers limits and take your time.
We have a Jayco Eagle Outback, its been to
Birdsville,
Innamincka,
Oodnadatta, the Sandy desert, Cameron's Corner,and
The Painted Desert all with little damage.
If you have the money buy an outback, the resale value will be better and it will go to
places an on road can't if you have a 4x4. Even though the van is the same as the on road above the chassis the added clearance ' springs and shockers will make it far easier to tow in rougher conditions.
Buy what you can afford !! After all it's all about getting out there and having fun. GO with the Swan you won't be dissapointed.
Happy camping Butch58.
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Follow Up By: Scottx - Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 22:06
Monday, Aug 10, 2009 at 22:06
Cheers Butch
decided we definatly want the outback swan, thanks for helping to make it easier to choose.
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Follow Up By: Butch58 - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 07:11
Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 07:11
HI Scott,
Have a look around at stone protection ( bigger mud flaps for 4x4 and stone deflection frame to fit to camper ) as most of the damage we have had could have been prevented if with they were fitted.
Shouldn't cost to much and would be money
well spent .
WE paid $ 16,000 for our 2003 Eagle Outback 2 years ago. It had been around OZ before we brought it, but was in good order,
cheers Butch58.
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